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Using the Suez Canal

Fri May 25, 2012 1:47 am

Playing as France, I completed the Suez Canal more than a year ago,but I can't can't get my ships to travel through. I am playing 1.02. Even when I plot a course up to the Canal and then through, the ship will travel around Africa. Is there something else I need to do?
I also just got the message that Egypt has ceded its control of the canal to Great Britain. Is that strictly a flavor event or does it have an impact on the game?
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Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:42 am

We just had this event fired on our MP. It has a tooltip problem (chrome) but otherwise plotting movement passes over the canal (v1.03). Please make sure you have control of the structure and it is activated (mouse on the Suez structure and make sure it is still French and checked: green).
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Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:08 am

1.03 is needed indeed, we fixed a bug on travel for canals in this patch.
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Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:33 am

Funny I had the exact same problem two days ago with my French game (playing with 1.03 last version).

I could not use the canal even if constructed, open and controlled. But I think I may have an explanation: (to be confirmed by dev)

I had not discovered the Suez Canal Tech, the turn when I discovered it I tried to use the canal and ... it worked ! So maybe you should try this.

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Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:03 am

Is there any automatic restriction against traffic of enemies to the owner, or if open is it open to all?

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Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:32 am

Although that would be cool, Sir Garnet, I find it more realistic for the era to be like ON and OFF, as abstracted. Filtering the traffic would have supposed a permanent huge garrison with guns that says "you yes, you not". Instead, by simply shutting it down for all in times of crises you avoid this problem. Moreover, I believe it was the same juridical nature of the Suez Canal that it was supposed to be neutral, even if times of war, with very few exceptions.
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Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:45 am

It was a game mechanical question. I agree with the realism of a neutral international waterway operated as a business (in business for fees - f15/turn according to the structure itself), unless "closed for maintenance" in wartime.

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Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:22 am

HappyBanker wrote:Funny I had the exact same problem two days ago with my French game (playing with 1.03 last version).

I could not use the canal even if constructed, open and controlled. But I think I may have an explanation: (to be confirmed by dev)

I had not discovered the Suez Canal Tech, the turn when I discovered it I tried to use the canal and ... it worked ! So maybe you should try this.


So, could it be that you can only use the canal, being either France or a third party, after you have developed the Suez canal tech?

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Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:51 pm

Well I am not sure of that. I just noticed that I could not use it, a few turn passed during which I discovered the tech and then I was able to use it. I really don't know if this is really related. It is a lead. But I would be glad if someone could confirm it.

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HappyBanker wrote:Well I am not sure of that. I just noticed that I could not use it, a few turn passed during which I discovered the tech and then I was able to use it. I really don't know if this is really related. It is a lead. But I would be glad if someone could confirm it.


Well, nope. I checked, I have researched the Suez canal tech and still cannot cross. BTW, I am not playing France and have neither passgae nor supply rights with her. May that be the obstacle?

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Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:14 pm

I believe as Greece I tried to pass (set for testing the movement) and the days to the Red Sea seemed few, so I believe I could. Does it have to do with cordial relations perhaps? (I am not even sure Greece has them, but I think they do)
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nemethand wrote:Well, nope. I checked, I have researched the Suez canal tech and still cannot cross. BTW, I am not playing France and have neither passgae nor supply rights with her. May that be the obstacle?


Humm well sorry about that.... :)

I will be especially regarding next time I build it. For now I don't have any new idea. Something I think that needs to be clarified.

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Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:07 am

Perhaps France is out of money and has turned it off in your game. For everyone.

Where do you guys click to plan a movement? From the Mediterranean to the Red Sea in our game the fleet passes through the open canal in few days.
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:41 pm

Kensai wrote:Perhaps France is out of money and has turned it off in your game. For everyone.

Where do you guys click to plan a movement? From the Mediterranean to the Red Sea in our game the fleet passes through the open canal in few days.



Yes that means it is open. When I noticed a change it was explicit. The travel time changed from 80days or so down to 4 days. And the travel line changed also from going all around Africa to crossing directly through Suez... so no doubt here. It waas not working and then it was. But why??....

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Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:23 am

I was beginning to think no one else was having any problems with this. I have upgraded to 1.03 and tried to use the canal without success. When I click on the location of the canal, it shows it as green which should mean active. But when I try to click on it, I get a message that you can not re-activate if workers are on strike. I had never checked the canal before, but years ago I built a cotton field in Egypt and it seems like it went on strike and never came off. I basically forgot about it, and it looks like it now belongs to Egypt.
To address another point that others have brought up, I had the Suez Canal Tech before I built the canal. I assumed it was a prerequisite. So I'm still stumped.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:04 am

Kensai wrote:Where do you guys click to plan a movement? From the Mediterranean to the Red Sea in our game the fleet passes through the open canal in few days.


I also click on the Red Sea (Suez Bay, or sg like that) but my fleet goes around the whole continent, amking the duration of the journey 30-40 days.

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Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:16 pm

If Greece can pass, why couldn't a major nation? Relations between France and Russia?
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:53 pm

The Devs might also want to look at the Kiel Canal. My Prussian/German ships can move straight into Hamburg from the Baltic without having to travel around the Jutland Peninsula. I have to manually route my ships into the North Sea since it appears the game thinks the canal has been built, even though it has not.

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Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:00 pm

Kensai wrote:If Greece can pass, why couldn't a major nation? Relations between France and Russia?


Based on discussion here and on the Paradox forums, this might be tha answer (see, in particular, Spain can pass).

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