In my current Prussia game a Polish revolt erupted in Russia and Warsaw
(the city) is captured by Polish forces (not rebels - Polish) while the region of Warsaw
(countryside) is marked as "Controlled by no one".
Other than that I moved some troops to a rebelling neihboring province and now I control it with all its industry even though I do not own it.
Should n't the Russians demand it back or smthing? What are the effects of controlless territories? Will the Polish ever claim the rest of the region? Will the russians invade??
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you should have a treaty with russia (by event) to be able to hunt down rebels in Poland behind the russian border, so the situation is always bit of misleading.
this "no one" should be known to the devs.
in the past, for colonies, it was kinda placeholder. mislabeling the owner, not really a bug. maybe there is a problem back in game....
about repatriating property to the original owner, yeah, this is a problem, i have seen the same when Austria moved into my Prussian province some months ago.
a treaty coming from event despite bad relations still overrules the re-seizing by troops, so it does no good if you just move in troops of the original owner (regarding industry at least).
the Devs lately wrote about a similar situation in the other forum:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?577930-Help&
this "no one" should be known to the devs.
in the past, for colonies, it was kinda placeholder. mislabeling the owner, not really a bug. maybe there is a problem back in game....
about repatriating property to the original owner, yeah, this is a problem, i have seen the same when Austria moved into my Prussian province some months ago.
a treaty coming from event despite bad relations still overrules the re-seizing by troops, so it does no good if you just move in troops of the original owner (regarding industry at least).
the Devs lately wrote about a similar situation in the other forum:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?577930-Help&
...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
Thanks for reply - understood except 1 thing.
You said that i must have treaty with russia to hunt rebels in their territory - but I moved troops to russian territory currently controlled by rebels (rebel MC 50%+).
Thus theoretically smone could seize any number of provinces that way (even the AI) which is totally unrealistic unless the AI (the legit owner) takes back the province soon after.
You said that i must have treaty with russia to hunt rebels in their territory - but I moved troops to russian territory currently controlled by rebels (rebel MC 50%+).
Thus theoretically smone could seize any number of provinces that way (even the AI) which is totally unrealistic unless the AI (the legit owner) takes back the province soon after.
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no, sorry i have been too imprecise:
"REBELS" like rioting civilians, the tribes for the USA and so on can be fought at will, but then the country will claim back its province and your troops will be transferred to the next province of your own (distance of this automatic transfer are up to eight provinces if i remember it right)
[color="Red"]For the "POLISH UPRISE" there is a scripted event that refers to a historical treaty between Prussia and Russia[/color]
thats what i did mean.
the Problem as mentioned and described more precisely from the Developer is the seizure of economical buildings.
this is, however not true for all occasions of rebels taking over provinces and cities:
i had Sioux taking one of my own city, i got the province itself. while i won the battle they burned down ALL structures in the city itself (in my case Chicago and other cities).
EDIT:
i have finished the last 27 years with patch 1.02, though no new campaign, but domestically i never saw it (as i wrote elsewhere three provinces never regained to civil order, were always rioting/striking/ out for a rebellion), just everywhere when a treaty was given you passing rights before....
"REBELS" like rioting civilians, the tribes for the USA and so on can be fought at will, but then the country will claim back its province and your troops will be transferred to the next province of your own (distance of this automatic transfer are up to eight provinces if i remember it right)
[color="Red"]For the "POLISH UPRISE" there is a scripted event that refers to a historical treaty between Prussia and Russia[/color]
thats what i did mean.
the Problem as mentioned and described more precisely from the Developer is the seizure of economical buildings.
this is, however not true for all occasions of rebels taking over provinces and cities:
i had Sioux taking one of my own city, i got the province itself. while i won the battle they burned down ALL structures in the city itself (in my case Chicago and other cities).
EDIT:
i have finished the last 27 years with patch 1.02, though no new campaign, but domestically i never saw it (as i wrote elsewhere three provinces never regained to civil order, were always rioting/striking/ out for a rebellion), just everywhere when a treaty was given you passing rights before....
...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
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ok, would one of you just drop them a saved game into the thread...
it does appear they are really busy elsewhere but definitely they already knew the problem...
thank you Gen.
it does appear they are really busy elsewhere but definitely they already knew the problem...
thank you Gen.
...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
Have similiar problem - in my game as russia I created protectorate and later russia to one of india subregions - it was next to afganistan with no infulence/penetration from GB - and here is problem - 3 regions joined me without problem - 2 which was undeer national flag and one with tibetan flag, but capital never -i control his industry, but city is still under BG control (and capaital was controled before I starded making here protectorate/colony) and no chance to gain mc here,except war with GB 
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