Beta-Patch 1.02b

[jimwinsor]

There seems to be some stability issues with this beta; I've had three CTDs, here's the log file on the latest one.

[Kotik]

I have problems too, with the reds already from first turn script problems and in the end a CTD and but with the SibW the script problems comes later and ended in a CTD. I have a error log from the SibW campaign and savegames from both.

[Baris]

Playing as Southern whites I have managed to use "Raise money option" 6-7 times as the war didnt finish early as expected unlike Siberian whites game.(by 1920 Reds start to field huge armies concentrated on Baltic states,Petrograd). Effect of inflation I spotted only was the line inf replacement cost changing from 4 to 5 rubble. Construction cost of units didnt change. Also Late concripts and early concripts have the same construction costs.

Tambov revolt: Built fortified lines in Tambov and 362 pwr division garrison was protecting it. But when the revolt started greens seized the city without a fight.

[Kotik]

I have problems too, with the reds already from first turn script problems and in the end a CTD and but with the SibW the script problems comes later and ended in a CTD. I have a error log from the SibW campaign and savegames from both.

Okay here is a rar with logs from my red game, I got a CTD after being told that there was not enough memory.

Also i cant destroy railroads or depots using the button in the action menu.

[Radsoc]

Why would anyone play as the whites anyway?

[Anazagar]

They have way cooler hats and mustaches.

[Kotik]

You have 2 Bonch-Bruevich from the start in the grand Campaign. Now I dont mind that, I use them to train my red troops but it is a bit unhistorical and pretty darn impossible unless he had a twin of course

[Baris]

Playing as Reds, can not declare war on Finland and Caucasus states. There is a message about war declared but conflict areas stay in fog of war. Diplomatic option about declaring war re-appears next turn.

There is also a message about Makhno killed Grigoriev in a dispute but it seems he survived. He was not in Ukraine area. Diplomatic allince with Machno anarchists also can not be cancelled. There is no diplomatic option.
In most turns there is a message about Machno anarchist allied with Reds for whites attacking in their territory. even though they were allied with reds before.

In 3 games (playing Red,SB and South whites) main French and Greek regiments didnt deploy to Odessa. There were a massages in which they are destroyed by the lack of transports.

In the last turn there is a message about Vatsetis is arrested from false accusations but soon be released by Trotsky. Actually Trotsky was killed in early turns in Don I guess he will be in prison longer then expected

[Lusatian]

Seeing the huge and obvious errors present in this new patch I've decided to stop playing RUS. I'm getting a bit tired of updating patches, replaying campaigns and having my game ruined with bugs; although I will go back to RUS if and when a better patch comes out, so if anyone knows then please let me know.

[ERISS]

Seeing the huge and obvious errors present in this new patch
having my game ruined with bugs

That is not yet a new patch: As written it's beta, before the real new patch.

[Alexor]

Seeing the huge and obvious errors present in this new patch I've decided to stop playing RUS. I'm getting a bit tired of updating patches, replaying campaigns and having my game ruined with bugs; although I will go back to RUS if and when a better patch comes out, so if anyone knows then please let me know.

yep, same for me sorry to say. I stopped already 2 months ago waiting for the new patch...

[Jorje Vidrio]

So which is the newest official (non-beta) patch? 1.01?

Is it stable? {I've downloaded the demo, and intend to buy the full game, but don't know about the patches from some of these comments}

[Rysyonok]

Seeing the huge and obvious errors present in this new patch I've decided to stop playing RUS. I'm getting a bit tired of updating patches, replaying campaigns and having my game ruined with bugs; although I will go back to RUS if and when a better patch comes out, so if anyone knows then please let me know.

Then again, each patch leads to a slightly different game. When game mechanics change, you'd feel no different than real life generals, having to re-learn strategy again and again.

[TheDoctorKing]

So which is the newest official (non-beta) patch? 1.01?

Is it stable? {I've downloaded the demo, and intend to buy the full game, but don't know about the patches from some of these comments}

1.01 is official and stable. The problems the new patch are trying to address are actually pretty minor - the minor countries don't behave properly, mostly not putting up much resistance to the Red juggernaut. The regional decisions don't produce enough troops and money, especially for the Whites. Armored trains behave strangely. But I have played two complete games with the Reds under 1.01, one with vanilla and one with the Fatal Years mod (see my AARs) and got all the way through without any crashes or wierdness. I'm in a PBEM game now with Andatiep and no problems. So enjoy!

[Jorje Vidrio]

Thanks very much! Downloading the full game now!

[TheDoctorKing]

I think I was mistaken in my last post. Seb, correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.02a was official and stable for a long time. 1.02b is what you are testing out right now anticipating putting out 1.03. I was off by one. Sorry to give wrong information.

[Seb]

I think I was mistaken in my last post. Seb, correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.02a was official and stable for a long time. 1.02b is what you are testing out right now anticipating putting out 1.03. I was off by one. Sorry to give wrong information.

Indeed

[Lusatian]

After finishing the Kolachak Siberian Coup campaign I noticed some strange things when I checked out the AI of the southern whites and Soviets, there are pics in the attachments below.

error.jpg Anarchists have error ability, like the french in the Grand Campaign.

semenov.jpg Semenov should be based in the Far East not by the black sea and belongs to the Siberian White not Southern White faction.

sidorin.jpg How did he get there?

[OneArmedMexican]

I have just started a PBEM as Siberian White and noticed something strange: Starting the GC I haven't got any river fleets. Until beta patch 1.02b the Siberian starts out with a considerable fleet in Samara. That isn't the case anymore.

Is this intentionally or an accident?

If this wasn't an accident then please reconsider this change. It gives the Red side uncontested control of the rivers and enables them to cripple any Siberian offensive west of the Volga.

I haven't uploaded the game file. Since you simply have to start a GC and look into turn 1. If need be, I am happy to upload the file though.

[Lusatian]

You get the fleet at Samara a couple of turns later with the Komuch uprising.

[Hohenlohe]

I have just started a PBEM as Siberian White and noticed something strange: Starting the GC I haven't got any river fleets. Until beta patch 1.02b the Siberian starts out with a considerable fleet in Samara. That isn't the case anymore.

Is this intentionally or an accident?

If this wasn't an accident then please reconsider this change. It gives the Red side uncontested control of the rivers and enables them to cripple any Siberian offensive west of the Volga.

I haven't uploaded the game file. Since you simply have to start a GC and look into turn 1. If need be, I am happy to upload the file though.

Dear Mexican, the very "poor" Reds would have simply NO chance against a human player if the Samara Fleet of the Siberian would exist from start. In my last games I tried the Siberian Volga fleet appeared around turn three or four, thus it was no big problem later on for the Siberian to try to dominate the Volga.

As a Red player you need the Red Volga squadron desparately because this is the only possible way to block any Siberian advance left of the Volga in the first few turns.
And as a Red you will be more or less heavily engaged with the Southern Whites to survive as Red player in the SOuthern area as long as possible.

Against a human player your chances will diminish rapidly above all in the SOuth...

greetings

Hohenlohe

[OneArmedMexican]

My bad, I wasn't aware the fleet arrives by event now.

Thanks, Lusatian!

Hohenlohe, I don't agree completely. IMO the game is pretty well balanced. Against the AI, the Red can prevail without too much trouble. Against a human, he faces a hard time early on, but if he makes no bad mistakes the initiative will shift back to him.

Another point, I would like to raise is desertion. What is your experience with the increased desertion rates for the White factions?

Personally, I was in a for a nasty surprise when desertions hit me the first time.

[jack54]

Hi all,

(I've had a couple of these)
... Critical error near end of turn resolution...

saves and main log attached...

[barbu]

As the Southern Whites, requesting a White general sometimes places him in "illegal regions" (such as Sevastopol in the Ice March scenario). That same turn, he is "destroyed because of lack of transport". Does this bug exist in other scenarios as well?

BTW: this is a 1.02 a bug, I haven't even touched 1.02 b, so if this was fixed by the move from 1.02 a to 1.02 b, it's awesome.

[Durk]

Почему так сильно деформировался "Attachment Radius"?

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Why are so strongly deformed "Attachment Radius"?

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This has to do with the movement rate. Attachment rate is a communication ability that mirrors movement rates. Kind of like a person needs to travel to bring messages.

[Baris]

40k Main French and Greek troops sometimes land to Odessa and sometimes not ; destroyed due to lack of transport anybody have experienced?

There was a bug in ROP in which player built depots werent able to forward supply. In my game as SB whites I have 700 rail capacity and level 3-4 depots through Cheboksary,Arzamas and Novgorod. But I suspect supply arent flowing properly from Kazan.


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Edit: Depot built on empty terrain receive supply but depots built in cities doesnt?
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[Reverend Zombie]

Do the results of the Recruit and Raise Money Special Operations vary according to the population of the region in which they are implemented?

An historical problem for the Whites was that they controlled many very sparsely populated regions (Archangel region and Siberia, for example). It does not make sense that Whites should be able to raise as many troops from these regions as the Reds can from their central Russian regions.

[Seb]

Do the results of the Recruit and Raise Money Special Operations vary according to the population of the region in which they are implemented?

An historical problem for the Whites was that they controlled many very sparsely populated regions (Archangel region and Siberia, for example). It does not make sense that Whites should be able to raise as many troops from these regions as the Reds can from their central Russian regions.

True... but the game engine did not allow us a more precise system

[Reverend Zombie]

True... but the game engine did not allow us a more precise system

Could the Whites be limited in the frequency at which they are able to select the operations?

[Seb]

Could the Whites be limited in the frequency at which they are able to select the operations?

I think the Special Operations have to be the same for each side (not sure, I will check). But the balance of power is more important and I am afraid the Whites do not need to have fewer ressources in this game