Future Games Ageod Anticipations??

[Njordr]

I believe a Vietnam-based game would be a real crack. Or maybe a Middle East one.
Let's think about Yom Kippur...
Do you remember the table game?

[TheDoctorKing]

How about Wars in Mexico?

The Mexican War of Independence 1810-1821
The Wars of the Reforma, with French invasion, 1855-1867
The Mexican Revolution, 1910-1929 (if you include the Cristeros)

Or an enlarged Wars in the Americas that includes both American continents and goes up through the early 19th century wars of independence.

[Narwhal]

Games that sell well are either WW2, Napoleonic or sci-fi I believe.

Just make a game in which nazis with mechas fight the Soviet Orcish horde allied to the French Empire who revived Napoléon to lead them into battle, and you can top the chart.

[Narwhal]

I know there is not a chance, but I really would like to see a game about the "events" in Turkey from 1918 to 1924 ca.

Maybe SEP could do that, though. It would work a load like RUS, with less trains, less factions, and more attrition.

[PhilThib]

If someone can come up with the necessary detailed OOB and setups, goodwill could be found to make a scenario with this...why not

[Baris]

Narwhal excellent idea thanks
Here is rough map around of Turkey around 1918-1922. Map can be very smaller then Rus game. There is only inf,volunteers and artilery. No tank or planes. In the last battle main there is small amount of planes committed. turkish planes 5 against 12. Here is the main Fronts. Sorry couldnt find in English.

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At the bottom red squares are the main battles. Namely inf, machine gun inf, artiley and cavalry committed. Main battles are against Greeks. Dotted Purple color is the French front on south(Adana). West and south is Italian front mainly Bodrum. East is armenian front. Scissors shown in the map ara battles occured. There can be more. In the west near Istanbul there are some riots or uprising etc.. I can find the names of the divisions and sides committed and cronogical history of battles


Sevres treaty 1920:
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[PhilThib]

May be some cavalry too

[Narwhal]

If someone can come up with the necessary detailed OOB and setups, goodwill could be found to make a scenario with this...why not

Oh, man, that would be outstanding ! You would not sell much, but that would be outstanding.

Except if you were talking about my idea with Nazi with mechas vs Soviet Orcs. Well, actually, it would be outstanding its own special way.

[romatrei]

I vote for the Vietnam War.
It could help to make a modern conflict game before having the big WW2 wargame.
And there are americans in it (just to get a few more sells).

[Hohenlohe]

If someone can come up with the necessary detailed OOB and setups, goodwill could be found to make a scenario with this...why not

There exists a good researched TOAW-Scenario at the-strategy-net about that war as I know. I think this could be helpful...

greetings

Hohenlohe

[Baris]

If someone can come up with the necessary detailed OOB and setups, goodwill could be found to make a scenario with this...why not

I have checked chronology of War of independence in this website http://www.thefullwiki.org/Chronology_of_the_Turkish_War_of_Independence and it appears to be correct. Starting date is 1918 october ,end date is 1923. Mainly there are 3 fronts. East(armenia) south(French and Some British troops including armenian and some arab regiments.) South west is Italian(they left in 1921) and the west is Mainly greek troops. in 1918-1919 Atatürk trying to find supporters and building regiments from the start. He arranges meeting(there can be diplomatic options about that)to convince and get some valunteer and troops. Troops also get some help from local other ethnic tribes irregular units and central anatolia have some partisans. Other then that Like RCW, Turkish troops attacked from both sides. After a time western troops leave and the battle is mainly faught against Greek regiments. Atatürk is the commander in chief for Turkish front. Great offensive of turkish forces in 1922 . It is very siutable for the engine NM needed for fighting(many events occured that effected NM historically) and EP points,foreign troops etc..
I will read more details about battles and troops
It is very suitable for age engine to simulate, Sultan, nationalists,separatists,seculars,foreign intervention. Conflict last for 3-4 years.

[Baris]

Oh, man, that would be outstanding ! You would not sell much, but that would be outstanding.

Except if you were talking about my idea with Nazi with mechas vs Soviet Orcs. Well, actually, it would be outstanding its own special way.

On a second thought I think Phil didnt "mean" a Turkish War of independence game. It is pity that game just appeared in my head not the one with mechas against orcs
Middle road is to better make a game both French and Americans in it.
Other historical conflicts are just a dust in the wind. So I will wait for the wind to change the direction of blowing. Maybe in the future there will be an Ageod game about it..

[tagwyn]

anything would be superior to WWIa, UGH!!

[alexander seil]

I think that the Chinese Civil War would satisfy both the criteria for marketability (not in the least because of free marketing provided by the inevitable PRC ban...) and satisfying everyone's interest in complex, obscure, multi-sided civil wars.

Of course, if you could get a game about the Turkish Civil War banned in Turkey, that could work too...

[Baris]

Wind is blowing to the good direction, 4 people already

I think that the Chinese Civil War would satisfy both the criteria for marketability (not in the least because of free marketing provided by the inevitable PRC ban...) and satisfying everyone's interest in complex, obscure, multi-sided civil wars.

Of course, if you could get a game about the Turkish Civil War banned in Turkey, that could work too...

Actually it should be called War of Independence not a civil war. I guess "war of indepence" is a significant date, and it should be hard to get banned

[Narwhal]

If you call if "Turkish War of Independance", you will get it banned in Greece and Armenia, though - so it is good PR as well.

The Mexican theater would be outstanding as well :

- Lots of war, both civil wars and "traditionnal" wars, so you could make plenty of scenarios
- Lots of boats everywhere
- Americans would definitely buy it due to their conflicts with Mexico
- French might buy it due to a couple conflicts between Mexico and France

[PhilThib]

For Mexico, the key work for such a project would be to create the map...we already have most of the necessary OOB's

[Baris]

If you call if "Turkish War of Independance", you will get it banned in Greece and Armenia, though - so it is good PR as well.

Actually if the date was 1829 and the location of the uprising were in Mora Island, it will be better regarded as a "civil war" inside the Ottoman. But it is more appropriate to regard as the date of indepence of Greeks. Borders have changed and seperated. But if you talk about 1920, picture is also different. It is hard to call it a Turkish civil war as there is a 'Le Traité de Sèvres' after ww1. Nations seperated long before. But I recommend you visiting city of 'Van' in the east border of Turkey. very ancient city.
As for the topic about banning, I think banning the game inside their borders of those countries is not important. What is important is good amount of them migrated to France and more of a purchaser , they may not like the time frame. Im not sure how many games are sold in Greece or Aermenia, or the potential of their market?
I will also like a game about Mexican-American or etc,

[Omnius]

I think that the Turkish Civil War should have been a scenario in the WW1 game since it was the same time frame and should be on the WW1 game map. But how to deal with the Armenian resettlement problem as an event without honking off some people?

I saw someone mention the Chinese and then I thought why not a game on the Chinese wars of unification and Sun Tzu? That would be right up the alley of the AGE game system and sooner or later our industry will be flooded with Chinese gamers. I think a game company that caters to the Chinese market will prosper. A good working title would be "The Chinese Art of War".

[Gray_Lensman]

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[Baris]

I think that the Turkish Civil War should have been a scenario in the WW1 game since it was the same time frame and should be on the WW1 game map.

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ww1 1914-18 : some uprising form Taşnak, not enough materials for a game. Mostly events in WW1

Turkish War of independence is between 1919-22 against :
TUR vs FR,GB,ITA,Greek and Armenia

Just a note

[Carrington]

I would love too. Now the real question is: how much buyers? Because except Russian Front or the Bulge in WW2 and Real Time strategy games, it seems the computer wargaming market isn't as suited as the boardgame for release about other periods...

Well, at least there are Americans in the Spanish Civil War... up to and including Hemingway.

[tyrex]

I would love too. Now the real question is: how much buyers? Because except Russian Front or the Bulge in WW2 and Real Time strategy games, it seems the computer wargaming market isn't as suited as the boardgame for release about other periods...

You've forget D-Day too

[Omnius]

The problem with the Chinese market is that as a program/developer you don't know if your game is going to be politically acceptable to the gov't and thus NOT censored/banned. I would not want to waste resources to develop a game highly dependant on the Chinese market for success.

Gray,
You raise a good point about the absolute powers that be in China judging the worthiness of any product for consumption by their people. I didn't mean to say that you make a game geared only to pleasing the Chinese market, obviously you want to market it to a known market and hope that a game on the Chinese wars would catch on there as a secondary market. Shame though that in the West we don't have much in that area to play with or much interest in them.

Plus you forgot to mention that there's always the worry of the Chinese pirating your intellectual property and passing off a cheap knockoff which ofcourse they could be doing anyway.

[Generalisimo]

The problem with the Chinese market is that as a program/developer you don't know if your game is going to be politically acceptable to the gov't and thus NOT censored/banned. I would not want to waste resources to develop a game highly dependant on the Chinese market for success.

Exactly... look at the Hearts of Iron case back in the old days for example:
http://news.cnet.com/Banned-in-Beijing-China-cracks-down-on-games/2100-1043_3-5551430.html

China has banned numerous games before based on content. World War II game "Hearts of Iron" was banned because it depicted disputed territories such as Tibet and Taiwan as independent nations. The popular strategy game "Command & Conquer: Generals" was canned based on its depictions of the Chinese military and terrorist attacks on Beijing.

The same thing happened to whole series...

[Carnium]

Exactly... look at the Hearts of Iron case back in the old days for example:
http://news.cnet.com/Banned-in-Beijing-China-cracks-down-on-games/2100-1043_3-5551430.html


The same thing happened to whole series...

This is indeed sad... but they got free marketing for this game.
It is hard to assume that a game will sell only in the territories the game is "about". RUS is probably not a instant hit in the countries of former USSR right now, but more a breath of fresh air for the wargamers all over the world.

[Mirandasucre]

i personaly would like a WIA2 game with french mexican war, USA Mexico war, Mexican revolution ,Indians wars of the second part of the XIX century, and the wars of independance of south america !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[George McClellan]

NEW AACW GAME!!!!!!!!!!!! Where you can be on the battlefield and, during the battle, can give orders to your troops. apy:

[JackoWords]

Mirandasauce's idea, The Wars of Independence of Southern America, sounds amazingly interesting!

[Sanz de Acedo]

Games that sell well are either WW2, Napoleonic or sci-fi I believe.

Sci-fi? Oh, my god! (in spanish, "Angelamaría")

All wars between XVII and XIX centuries fit perfectly with Age engine; any others times don't, I think.

What about the Thirty Years' War, the Great Turkish War, the Dutch Revolt and the English Civil War?