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Lee's Lost Order

Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:35 am

Anyone know how much this reveals exactly? How much detection? It doesn't elaborate in the tooltip. I'm almost termpted to look at my opponent's turn to figure this out. Almost. :) I mean, I should know what's in my orders right?
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Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:34 am

It is supposed to remove all FOW within 3 regions of the AotP.
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Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:50 am

Ok thanks It says something like "Fog of war has been lifted in the mid-Atlantic region. Beware!" If you knew what exactly they saw it could be used against them, which is what I think Lee did historically.
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Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:57 pm

On this subject...shortly after the "Lost order" the Rebs get Belle Thingymajig.
She does something to the FOW but what exactly?

I also don't know what to do with her so I've just sent her to Washington to see what happens but she seems to have disapeared.
What would you suggest I do with her?

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Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:58 pm

She works a bit like Pinkerton for the north (same effect that is, I guess they use different tactics :) ) you can send her in a region, and you can see the troops there. Set her on evade, and nobody will catch her.

Dont send her alone into a region in winter though. I lost her due to attrition. Never happened to me with Pinkerton, I guess he keeps on more clothes?


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Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:01 am

Daxil wrote:Ok thanks It says something like "Fog of war has been lifted in the mid-Atlantic region. Beware!" If you knew what exactly they saw it could be used against them, which is what I think Lee did historically.


Lee found out about the lost order some months later. He certainly was not being tricky, getting caught out numbered, unconcentrated with his back to a river at Sharpsburg.

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Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:19 am

Bertram wrote:She works a bit like Pinkerton for the north (same effect that is, I guess they use different tactics :) ) you can send her in a region, and you can see the troops there. Set her on evade, and nobody will catch her.

Dont send her alone into a region in winter though. I lost her due to attrition. Never happened to me with Pinkerton, I guess he keeps on more clothes?


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I think she gets removed by event rather than attrition. Pinkerton stays on for the rest of the war if I'm not mistaken.

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Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:10 pm

when it says fog of war is removed in mid atlantic area it means the entire department if you go to the last filter above minimap it should show the different regions the purple one is mid atlantic
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Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:11 pm

FM WarB wrote:Lee found out about the lost order some months later. He certainly was not being tricky, getting caught out numbered, unconcentrated with his back to a river at Sharpsburg.


I don't know which alternate history books you've been reading. In the one's I've studied he knew within 24 hours and immediatelly began pulling together his army, which was quite scattered. And McClellan sat for some time, fearful of false intelligence reports - one of his traits in game btw.
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:33 am

Daxil wrote:I don't know which alternate history books you've been reading. In the one's I've studied he knew within 24 hours and immediatelly began pulling together his army, which was quite scattered. And McClellan sat for some time, fearful of false intelligence reports - one of his traits in game btw.


I have read and heard a few talks about this very subject.
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:28 pm

Ordering AP Hill to force march to his location is one of the other clues he knew.
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when Lee knew?

Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:21 pm

Read "A Landscape Turned Red" for a good interpretation of this event. Lee got wind that "something" was up because McClellan was speaking with several citizens in his command tent when he was handed the lost order. He paused, read it, and said something like "I have here in my hand information that will help me whip the Confederate army, so help me God". So much for military secrecy...

One of the citizens was pro-southern and he promptly passed this info on to the CSA. Also, McClellan was acting out of character, moving aggressively across South Mountain and Lee put the pieces together and figured out Mac had gained some valuable intel somehow.

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