a picture is worth a thousand words.
Dana wrote:Atlanta was ravage during the Civil war by General William Sherman and his troops. He was the man who made up the phrase "War is Hell"
in September 1864 he gave orders for the City of Atlanta to be evacuated and burned ignoring the plea's of the citizens and the reminders of there being pregnant woman and children in the city.
this blogger
Tells us all about it with the help of some very strong photos.
as he says -
Pemberton1 wrote:Odd that you treat Sherman's order for the city's evacuation so lightly. Hood's correspondence with Sherman on the subject is quite illuminating, I think. He, an experienced man of war, contends that the evacuation itself was exceptionally severe and cruel, as does the Mayor of Atlanta, Mr. James Calhoun. Here follow two excerpts from that correspondence. One has to love the eloquence of these times.
First, Hood:
"And now, sir, permit me to say that the unprecedented measure you propose transcends, in studied and ingenious cruelty, all acts ever before brought to my attention in the dark history of war. In the name of God and humanity I protest, believing that you will find that you are expelling from their homes and firesides the wives and children of a brave people."
Second, Calhoun:
"How is it possible for the people still here (mostly women and children) to find any shelter? And how can they live through the winter in the woods? No shelter or subsistence, in the midst of strangers who know them not, and without the power to assist them much, if they were willing to do so. This is but a feeble picture of the consequences of this measure. You know the woe, the horrors and the suffering cannot be described by words; imagination can only conceive of it, and we ask you to take these things into consideration. We know your mind and time are constantly occupied with the duties of your command, which almost deters us from asking your attention to this matter, but thought it might be that you had not considered this subject in all of its awful consequences, and that on more reflection you, we hope, would not make this people an exception to all mankind, for we know of no such instance ever having occurred; surely none such in the United States, and what has this helpless people done, that they should be driven from their homes to wander strangers and outcasts and exiles, and to subsist on charity? We do not know as yet the number of people still here; of those who are here, we are satisfied a respectable number, if allowed to remain at home, could subsist for several months without assistance, and a respectable number for a much longer time, and who might not need assistance at any time. In conclusion, we most earnestly and solemnly petition you to reconsider this order, or modify it, and suffer this unfortunate people to remain at home and enjoy what little means they have."
Sherman responded to Hood, rebuking him for appealing to God, and insisting, as he was known to do, that the Southerners warranted such punitive and extrordinary treatment because they bore the guilt of the war. Sherman here made the outline of his philosophy of war: that cruelty was good because it ended the war more quickly than decent behavior.
Brochgale wrote:I think Sherman was wrong - cruelty never finishes a war more quickly - it only stiffens the resolve of the other side to fight on. I am trying to think of a war from my own reading on the history of warfare where any side finished a war more quickly by being more cruel in its actions. It is perhaps a debatable point though.
wyrmm wrote:Start with all of the Mongol wars and work from there. Do not let modern sensiblilties interfere with evaluation of policy.
Pemberton1 wrote:Brochgale,
I'm very pleased to hear a word from Scotland on this point: another land with a history of war against civilians.
I do suppose such brutal behavior is a debatable point in war, but there certainly cannot be a question about the eternal consequences of such wickedness. What does it profit a man to win a war, however efficiently, and sell his soul to do it? I am very sympathetic to Lee's view on war against civilians. He ordered that any of his soldiers caught molesting civilians in Maryland or Pennsylvania to be shot. Lee's famous quote, "the duty is ours: the results are in God's hands" is another part of this philosophy. This is a logical extension of the moral doctrine in Plato's Gorgias: that to do wrong is the worst of all evils. One's personal responsibility is right and moral conduct. If right and moral conduct will not win the war, then at least one will not be damned. Nevertheless, it is better to behave justly than to embrace victory by any means. This was the philosophy and policy of most Southern generals, perhaps with the exception of Jubal Early and Nathan Bedford Forrest. Therefore, it seems to me a mute point whether or not brutality is efficient or not.
Pemberton1 wrote:Brochgale,
I'm very pleased to hear a word from Scotland on this point: .
Le Ricain wrote:No problem. With regards to America, we in Scotland have tended to support the wrong side and today hope that no one has noticed. In the AWI, Scotland supported the government as atonement for the 1745 revolt. The exception was Glasgow which supported the Americans. Of the thirteen regiments raised for the war, ten were raised in Scotland.
During the ACW, which divided the United Kingdom, Scotland, apart from those perky Glaswegians again, supported the South.
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