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Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:02 pm

Hi, I have some questions about naval operations:

I read somewhere that the overall blockade percentage is weighted toward the less blockaded box. Does it mean that if I put 10 ships in one box and 2 ships in the other box the percentage calculation takes into account only 2 ships?

Tell me if I'm right,
-if I play union:
I have to put 1 transport fleet + 1 hunter fleet(made of frigates) in the shipping box.
I have to put 1 blockade fleet in each blockade boxes.
-if I play CSA:
I have to put 1 raider fleet in the shipping box (to make money) and 1 raider fleet in each blockade boxes (to get supply)

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Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:19 pm

I believe your thinking is correct here. For instance when starting the April 1861 campaign the Union has a LARGE blockade in the Atlantic, but the Gulf blockade is only one fleet. If I remember correctly the percentage is 20 at that time. I believe some experimenting is in order. I will try this afternoon and see what I can find on this subject.

Your dispersion of assets looks pretty good.
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:27 pm

Raiders on the shipping box: you (CSA) don't make money with them. Just make the USA lose it.
On the blockade boxes you can make both war supplies and money. The game will check which you need more (alas, which you have less in store on that turn) and give you more of that.
The more units you have on each box the more you will get or sunk each turn.
Also, i prefer putting each blockade runner (brigs) units independently and not together on one fleet. This way the USA hunt fleets won’t get (and damage or sunk) all your ships at once.
I would say runners are a MUCH HIGHER priority to the CSA than raiders. You badly need money and WS. The USA has too much money and WS to feel the loses inflicted by your raiders.

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Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:57 pm

Ok but as the CSA, it is better to put runners in the blockade box or in the shipping box?

So It would be :
For the USA: blockade fleet in the two blockade boxes + merchant fleet and raiders in the shipping box
For the CSA: raiders and/or runners in the shipping box + possibly runners in the blockade box

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Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:17 pm

Inside686 wrote:Ok but as the CSA, it is better to put runners in the blockade box or in the shipping box?

So It would be :
For the USA: blockade fleet in the two blockade boxes + merchant fleet and raiders in the shipping box
For the CSA: raiders and/or runners in the shipping box + possibly runners in the blockade box


Raiders: only on the shipping box. (USA cannot raid. He is the one being raided).
Runners: only on both blocade boxes
To raid you can use any combat ship.
To run the blocade you need ships with cargo space (see the little icon). That would be brigs or transports but the latter are easy prey and will get sunk a lot, so you are better using only brigs as blocade runners.

Oh, and brigs can also be raiders as they are small combat ships.
But i think brigs serve the CSA much better running the blocade that raiding.

To raid you can use the few frigates you are given for free from time to time (events).
The CSA leader Semmes is excelent both raidng and running. Use him as you like.

So It would be :
For the USA: blockade fleet in the two blockade boxes + merchant fleet and hunting fleet on the shipping box.
For the CSA: raiders in the shipping box (optional) + lot of runners (brigs) on both of the blockade box (very important).

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Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:26 pm

For blockade efficiency, does it matter how many elements a unit has? I.e. is a blockade squadron with 6 ships better than a single frigate? And what about stacking? Are 2 units in a fleet as efficient as the same 2 units in separate stacks?

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Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:08 pm

Element count does matter for the "brown" water blockade, but each region will tell you the amount of elements you need. As far as the blockade boxes, I do not believe the element count matters.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:14 am

Ok arsan, thanks, it's all clear now except for the blockade % calculation (do we have to spread equally the blockade fleet in both boxes?).

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Inside686 wrote:Ok arsan, thanks, it's all clear now except for the blockade % calculation (do we have to spread equally the blockade fleet in both boxes?).


Yes, i think its better to split them more or less evenly.
Also, that way you will keep the blocade runners under control on both boxes.
For the southern box you can use your southern forts as naval bases to resupply your fleets.

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:58 am

arsan wrote:Raiders on the shipping box: you (CSA) don't make money with them. Just make the USA lose it.


Actually I think you can make money raiding as CSA. I have a fleet of 3 steam and 2 normal frigate elements under semmes in the shipping lanes and they sometimes get 12 money and 4/5 war supply from raiding. Or maybe I am reading the reports wrong... this is against the AI and I dont think it has put sufficient escorts to deal with my new fleet.

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Skibear wrote:Actually I think you can make money raiding as CSA. I have a fleet of 3 steam and 2 normal frigate elements under semmes in the shipping lanes and they sometimes get 12 money and 4/5 war supply from raiding. Or maybe I am reading the reports wrong... this is against the AI and I dont think it has put sufficient escorts to deal with my new fleet.


To my knowledge, this 12 money and 4/5 supply you see are LOST by the USA (as your raiders sink their ships) but not GAINED by the CSA.
You get things running the blocade and make the USA lost them raidng their ships.
The problem is that the USA have a very strong eocnomy and 12 money or 5 WS a turn means nothing to them.
Instead, geting this money/WS by running the blocade can help the weak CSA economy.

Sinking yankee ships with Semmes is cool :king: but not as usefull as the runners, IMHO.

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:09 am

BTW, what is the best way for the Union to deal with Semmes, once he pops up in the Atlantic shipping box with a small fleet? Or any CSA fleet there, for that matter?
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:45 am

I play mostly with the CSA, so i haven't much experience with it, but i suppose that you must put stronger "hunt" fleets on the shipping box with frigates, steam frigates and the like.
But Semmes abilities make him very hard to catch :grr:
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Yeah, that's what I've noticed; I am hardly ever able to get him to fight
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I only managed to engage him twice with Union fleets, both with Farragaut at the head of a fleet composed of all the steam frigates and a few sailing frigates (for detection purposes) that are available at the begining. If I'm not mistaken, in one of these games he returned with the Alabama...

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