End of the game?

[Leibst]

Hi,

I've been playing with the CSA in the April 1861 scenary, and the game gives me the victory in Late February 1862 after seizing Washington (i suposse this is the reason). The log says that the union NM is very low and gives me total Victory. How can i see the Union NM? It seems to me that it has sunk very fast.

[Pocus]

F9 page of the ledger

[Leibst]

It seems to me that i have achieved Total Victory very easy, very soon.
The Union in my game is in perfect situation to continue the fight. Only the fall o the capital is not enough to make it surrender in my opinion. And in my game the Union only has lost a few minor battles and one or two major battles that give me 4 NM points in total.

[leanmeankillingmachine]

Being able to continue a war and losing a war are two very different things, if the CSA had captured Washington of course the Union could have continued the fight but politically it might have been impossible, they would have been forced to recognize the CSA as a sovereign nation and the other major world powers would have immediately recognize the CSA too.

[DirkX]

and the other major world powers would have immediately recognize the CSA too.

i have a hard time believing this, in fact i'd give you an outright "No".
The so called "major powers" most likely never intended to recognize the CSA as sovereign state, theres a reason they played so much "on time" for years, even when the CSA was winning impressive victories nothing ever changed for them.
England could have been playign the "diplomatic delaying game" for another 5 years of war, they simply wouldnt recognize a slavery state.

[Aurelin]

Being able to continue a war and losing a war are two very different things, if the CSA had captured Washington of course the Union could have continued the fight but politically it might have been impossible, they would have been forced to recognize the CSA as a sovereign nation and the other major world powers would have immediately recognize the CSA too.

Why would the North have been forced to do such a thing? The loss of a city is a temporary inconvience.

And why would England and France, THE major powers at the time, done such a thing?

[thewick]

I dont think this is the place for discussions on politics and what-ifs.

Just know that in game terms, if you fall below 40nm or 25 as the south the game is over due to a Moral Victory. This is done by taking strategic cities and capitals, and wining significant battles that destroy units.

I have been in PBEM's were such moral victories were attained however we kept fighting.

[leanmeankillingmachine]

note the key word guys (or girls) "might".

Still for those of you who say no, why ? Remember my comments were in response to to leibstandartes scenario "win". The Trent affair had just happened and Britain had despatched over 10,000 troops to Canada, the Royal Navy started making preperations for War and the country in general were pretty annoyed at the Union.

In history by 1862 the Brits were still thinking about recognizing the CSA and were only put off doing so by Antietam, however in Leibs game he says hes won several key victories and captured the Union capital !!!

Remember guys, half the fun in playing these type of historical games is to try and produce a completely different outcome, Leib did it hence the win.

[willgamer]

It seems to me that i have achieved Total Victory very easy, very soon.
The Union in my game is in perfect situation to continue the fight. Only the fall o the capital is not enough to make it surrender in my opinion. And in my game the Union only has lost a few minor battles and one or two major battles that give me 4 NM points in total.

Yes, I had that happen when I was playing as the Union in my most recent game. I guess the victory conditions are keyed to be fair in head to head games.

On the other hand, I had a blast actually playing on to actually control every city. It demonstrated just what a massive undertaking the actual war was to drive it to completion.

If you're playing against the computer, who cares what the victory conditions are!

[Leibst]

I suposse that in a PBEM, the union player would place a strong garrison in Washington with a good leader making the citie very hard to take in an assault. In my game it was veeeeeeeeeery easy.

[Le Ricain]

If you do not agree with the automatic victory being granted, you can always continue playing.