Why won't US give up?

[Chivalry]

Man, what do you have to do to beat the USA?

To start I moved the SC unit to St Louis, built it up, and took St Louis
by June.
Built a large force there and waited for the USA to mass in Corinth,
then cut my way to Springfield, Bloomington, then Chicago.
Chased the USA all the way East.
I had IL, IN, OH all the cities under my control by Aug '62

The Union attacked in the East through Harpers Ferry, bypassing my massed army at Alexandria. The Union made it to Fredricksburg and took it.

I attacked DC & took it, which drew the Union forces back North like I hoped.
(nothing was blocking them from Richmond)

Now, I have Washington DC, all of Illinois, Ohio, and Indiana and STILL the Union fights on. Their morale is down to 55, but I can't seem to drive it lower. My morale is at 177 and I cant get it higher.

Any suggestions. The West is hard to get a concentrated battle in, and my force in DC is defending.

[Brochgale]

Man, what do you have to do to beat the USA?

To start I moved the SC unit to St Louis, built it up, and took St Louis
by June.
Built a large force there and waited for the USA to mass in Corinth,
then cut my way to Springfield, Bloomington, then Chicago.
Chased the USA all the way East.
I had IL, IN, OH all the cities under my control by Aug '62

The Union attacked in the East through Harpers Ferry, bypassing my massed army at Alexandria. The Union made it to Fredricksburg and took it.

I attacked DC & took it, which drew the Union forces back North like I hoped.
(nothing was blocking them from Richmond)

Now, I have Washington DC, all of Illinois, Ohio, and Indiana and STILL the Union fights on. Their morale is down to 55, but I can't seem to drive it lower. My morale is at 177 and I cant get it higher.

Any suggestions. The West is hard to get a concentrated battle in, and my force in DC is defending.

I noted in one game I won that Union Morale broke but I did not win till I had passed 200 Morale point in my score - I did not even need to invade North to do it - just smashed the Union Invasion of Viginnia at Freidricksburg - it was the Norths only real big invasion till that point in game!

[AndrewKurtz]

I noted in one game I won that Union Morale broke but I did not win till I had passed 200 Morale point in my score - I did not even need to invade North to do it - just smashed the Union Invasion of Viginnia at Freidricksburg - it was the Norths only real big invasion till that point in game!

I actually think better victory conditions for each side would be driving the others morale to a low level.

I somehow doubt the war would really have ended if the USA had "185 morale" while the CSA had "100 morale". The key for the both was to destroy the others will to fight. For the North, that meant occupation and destruction. For the South, it meant war weariness.

[tagwyn]

In reality,Mr. Lincoln came, after many bad experiences, to understand victory meant the destruction and surrender of the ANV. Nothing less than would have/did work. The Rebel Army of Tennessee was totally destroyed by Sherman, yet Richmond continued to fight on. I believe, as did Mr. Lincoln the country was being punished for the heinous sin of slavery. The punishment worked, although it was savage and relentless. T

[ird]

I'm in a similar position as the Union. I've taken all the objectives except Atlanta, got the Rebs hemmed in in the SE corner, but I can't finish them off. There's bout 28 turns remaining - My NM is 170, theirs is 75 but they're about 300 ahead on VPs - so I've got a year to figure out how I'm going to shatter their morale or send mine thru the roof

[D_K]

I would say to manuever things so you guys can get large morale boosts by defeating them in critical battles.

[Kiwinomad]

That's weird. I've defeated the US with just taking DC and Loiusville I think (but I had a lot of battle victories)

Have you been letting them destroy a lot of your units? That boosts their morale while costing yours.

As the previous poster suggested, you're going to need some big battle victories to break your opponent's will to fight.

[kyle]

In reality,Mr. Lincoln came, after many bad experiences, to understand victory meant the destruction and surrender of the ANV. Nothing less than would have/did work. The Rebel Army of Tennessee was totally destroyed by Sherman, yet Richmond continued to fight on. I believe, as did Mr. Lincoln the country was being punished for the heinous sin of slavery. The punishment worked, although it was savage and relentless. T

I thought the Tennessee Army under Johnson was the last army (other than the indian army out west that surrendered like in August of '65) to surrender in late April '65 or Early May '65 (After Lincoln was shot) in North Carolina? I believe they had 30,000 troops when they surrendered, more than what that overrated Lee had.

[Aurelin]

I thought the Tennessee Army under Johnson was the last army (other than the indian army out west that surrendered like in August of '65) to surrender in late April '65 or Early May '65 (After Lincoln was shot) in North Carolina? I believe they had 30,000 troops when they surrendered, more than what that overrated Lee had.

Kirby Smith surrendered in May 1865. Johnston on April 26.

[Aurelin]

In reality,Mr. Lincoln came, after many bad experiences, to understand victory meant the destruction and surrender of the ANV. Nothing less than would have/did work. The Rebel Army of Tennessee was totally destroyed by Sherman, yet Richmond continued to fight on. I believe, as did Mr. Lincoln the country was being punished for the heinous sin of slavery. The punishment worked, although it was savage and relentless. T

Lincoln new early on that the destruction of the rebel armies was the key to victory. However he couldn't get his generals to understand that for most of the war.

The Army of Tennessee wasn't destroyed by Sherman, but pretty much thrown away by Hood during his march into Tennessee.

[Korrigan]

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[chainsaw]

... I believe they had 30,000 troops when they surrendered, more than what that overrated Lee had.

Little OT -

Ouch!
In Virginia I have learned to never speak ill of R.E. Lee. I grew up in the midwest and never thought much about the Civil War until moving here 17 years ago. In grad school I made some snide remark about Lee being a traitor to the Union by refusing the role offered to him by General Scott, and instead going to fight for the Confederacy. Well, I almost got my head removed by my fellow classmates! The hero worship of Lee is still present in some parts of the south.

(My opinion of Lee has mellowed as well. I think many of us would have done the same thing as Lee if placed in his shoes, same context, etc).

[Crimguy]

Little OT -

Ouch!
In Virginia I have learned to never speak ill of R.E. Lee. I grew up in the midwest and never thought much about the Civil War until moving here 17 years ago. In grad school I made some snide remark about Lee being a traitor to the Union by refusing the role offered to him by General Scott, and instead going to fight for the Confederacy. Well, I almost got my head removed by my fellow classmates! The hero worship of Lee is still present in some parts of the south.

(My opinion of Lee has mellowed as well. I think many of us would have done the same thing as Lee if placed in his shoes, same context, etc).

Nationalism was barely a concept in 1861 . . .

And I don't think he was overrated. Pretty lucky at times, but not overrated.

[Gray_Lensman]

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