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Have you ever looked at this one Gray?

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?r=1&ean=9780760750445

Some pretty detailed RR lines on maps there.

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Gray Lensman:
As I live in Richmond, VA and have a number of railroad related references, I thought I would lend a hand with your Virginia research. Please note I also have a good friend who is a historian and somewhat of an expert on Virginia railroad history and he is pretty handy on the Civil War as well. I would be happy to relate any sticky questions and get some answers for you.

Here is some info regarding Aquia Creek and the RF&P RR in the first half of the 1800s.
The line was opened to Fredericksburg from Richmond on Jan 23, 1837. The line was extended to a boat landing on Aquia Creek in November of 1842.
So a stub from Fredericksburg north to the spot from Foote's map would work just fine. That and eliminating the north end that connects to Manassas (Fauquier) along with the Translink.
Don't know if these misspellings are something you have access to, but here they are:
Albemarle is spelled incorrectly on both the map and the region tooltip.
Culpeper is spelled incorrectly on the map.

The above info is taken from "Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac Railroad - The Capital Cities Route" by William E. Griffin, Jr., 1994.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:25 am

GL:
I was looking through my copy of "Chessie's Road" by Charles Turner and found some good maps in the early section of the book.

The Louisa RR Co. was started at Hanover Junction (now Doswell) in 1836 and completed to Shadwell in 1849. The section from Hanover Junction to Richmond was built in the early 1850s. The line west was completed 10 miles west of Clifton Forge when the Civil War began.
A map from 1926 by the now Chesapeake & Ohio Ry does show Tolersville, between Frederick Hall and Louisa, although there is little left now. How do I know this? :innocent:

Oddly enough, I work as a Locomotive Engineer on that very line every day. My company leases it from CSX. My local job starts at 0200 in Doswell and we work to Louisa, where we drop off cars for the Charlottesville crew and pick up cars they left for us to go back east. Small world, isn't it? Believe me, there's many a morning I think about men and equipment that traversed the very ground I run over every day. It's pretty neat.

Anyway, sorry to ramble.
I wanted to give you the reference for this map that has some great info on it. It comes from "Virginia Railroads in the Civil War" by Angus James Johnson II, Chapel Hill, NC, 1961. It is a snapshot of Va railroads at the onset of the Civil War.

A couple items that I noticed:
The Richmond & York River RR is depicted completed to West Point, VA. I know this was a point of debate earlier.
Everything else seems to be OK, other than the section to Manassas from Fredericksburg we talked about earlier. It wasn't completed until after the war IIRC.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
PW
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Gray_Lensman wrote:Pdubya64:
I should be able to correct "Culpepper" to "Culpeper", no problem, but where is Albemarle? I know I have seen it, but it is really time consuming to search the map for these items.


Albemarle is the land just west of Fredericksburg. The tree graphics make it hard to read the name- and thanks!
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Gray_Lensman wrote:Chamberlain: It was getting rather tedious to jump all over the place finding the posts wasn't it? LOL.Regards



Absolutely Gray_Lensman, and by the time I found them, I aged even more :p apy: :p apy: :p apy:

Thanks again,

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Gray_Lensman wrote:Pdubya64:
Thanks for the helpful info. The rail going north from Fredericksburg to Manassas is already deleted. That was the easy part. Putting in a new "hamlet" and naming it Aquia Creek, along with a short rail spur is the challenge. This type of graphics work takes time, for me at least. For those who are reading this, I need a small "q" in a name anywhere else on the map, but it has to be on the map, not one of the overlaid city names. "Falmouth", below Manassas is a good example of a name on the map. I spent over 2 hours looking for a q elsewhere on the map and just gave up. If anyone spots a small "q" post it to me right here. My graphics work is mostly cut and paste including individual letters to spell out the names for the towns.


Hmmm... how about this? Cut the letter "p" from the map, load the graphic into Gimp or some other photo manipulation program, and "flip" it along the x-axis so that now you have a "q". You probably would have to cut it so there is an equal amount of space to each side of the letter itself (i.e., make sure it's centered) and poof! Instant q-ness! :nuts:
I think it would work...
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Well, if it would help and you don't find a "q" anywhere, I will give you my e-mail address and you can send me a file with the cut "p" graphic and I can see about flipping it to hopefully make it work for you.
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I found an error while playing as CSA in the April 1861 campaign under 1.07h.

The UID143 Amherst, VA is missing its Railroad designation in the scenario file. The transportlvl is 2 instead of 3.
I did a fix of my own, but of course you have to start a new game to make it work.

p.s., now I can see the pic of Aquia Creek you posted above GL, looks great!
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Ahh, OK, now I think I see what you have been talking about. Tedious work to say the least. Well, best of luck, if I can help give me a shout.
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Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:17 am

First off, glad to see you got the whole delimiter "thing" squared away before running off stark-raving mad bud! :sourcil:

I have come across a couple items and thought I would mention them to you.

1. This old thread is mostly name issues, but I think there are some railroad tidbits in there as well.

2. One item I know is still wrong is Beverly, WV. The scenario file for the Grand Campaign wants to report the area (in the tooltip) as "Railroad" when it should be a road. I don't know if the TransLinks are currently set up as a railroad or just road though. The area is due south of Grafton, WV.

I will keep looking GL.


P.S. I have been thinking of doing a week-long vacation trip to various Civil War battlefields next year. I now own a Jetta Wagon that would serve well as a mobile field HQ, complete with sleeping accommodations in the back in a pinch. I don't think I have ever been to any of the sites and would love to go it alone and experience it for myself. :coeurs:
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Thank you so much, Gray! This remedies what to me was the greatest flaw in the game. Heaven (and perhaps your significant other) alone knows how much time you must have spent putting it together.

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Great work!

I went to the link but cannot download. Do I have to become a member of SAVEFile before I can use their services?

BTW, you can make the files directly available on this thread by using the paperclip symbol when you post or edit your thread. When you select the paperclip symbol, you will have the browse function available to select files for upload. Once uploaded, the paperclip symbol appears in the post and people can select the paperclip to download the files.

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Gray_Lensman wrote:You should be able to download, I tested it last night as a guest to this site and wasn't logged onto that site. It's a rather confusing site to find the download link. I'll post a screen pic in a few minutes.

The file is too large to upload/attach to a post. The limits for .ZIP on AGEod site is 4.77 MBytes and the file exceeds 7.1 MBytes


I'll verify that you CAN download without membership. It did take me a while to find the right places to click!!! :bonk:

Thanks for the mod. :coeurs: :coeurs:
I just can't see playing without accurate RR's, and feel these should be incorporated into the 'official' patch (but that's another topic). :siffle:

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GL: Thanks! I will be looking for Pocus' addition, per usual. T

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Gray and Pocus:

In looking through all the materials I have and seeing Gray's latest Petersburg update (nice work GL), it got me to thinking about a historical site that is missing on the game maps that was very important to the Union plans for taking Petersburg.

The place is called City Point, VA and it lies at the upper end of the wide portion of the James River, 8 miles NE of Petersburg. A railway linking it to Petersburg was commissioned in 1838 and completed about 10 years later.

City Point's greatest value was as a port. In the third volume of Foote's trilogy, it is mentioned many times as the landing area for Butler's troops, part of Grant's planned assault of Petersburg and eventually Richmond.

Here is my suggestion. Can we add a small separate port symbol NE of Petersburg near the James River? Not sure if the railroad would need to be added or not.
I believe this would add a historical reason for the CSA player to defend Petersburg better, as well as a landing area for the Union player.
As an alternative, due to the port being so close to Petersburg itself, you could just make Petersburg a port, although this would allow direct river access to the city that didn't exist (at least military-wise), so it wouldn't be my first choice.
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