Element names

[gekkoguy82]

not a big deal, but has there been any talk of giving regimental names or numeric designations based on their state (for brigades larger than one element), like the brigades present at the beginning of scenarios for example, to elements of newly created brigades instead of the generic "infanty" or "cavalry"? important brigades have this, but generally new brigades do not. i guess most of them would just be called "_ (state) volunteer infantry" or something similar but i just thought maybe it'd add a bit more authenticity. maybe it's a dumb idea, i dunno

[Le Ricain]

not a big deal, but has there been any talk of giving regimental names or numeric designations based on their state (for brigades larger than one element), like the brigades present at the beginning of scenarios for example, to elements of newly created brigades instead of the generic "infanty" or "cavalry"? important brigades have this, but generally new brigades do not. i guess most of them would just be called "_ (state) volunteer infantry" or something similar but i just thought maybe it'd add a bit more authenticity. maybe it's a dumb idea, i dunno

I agree with you. Having the regiments show their state affiliations and possibly nicknames would add back alot of the flavour. It seems that we lost this feature in the last patch which introduced brigade names. perhaps in a future patch we could retain the brigade names, but get back the regiment names.

[McNaughton]

I agree with you. Having the regiments show their state affiliations and possibly nicknames would add back alot of the flavour. It seems that we lost this feature in the last patch which introduced brigade names. perhaps in a future patch we could retain the brigade names, but get back the regiment names.

Actually, there never were 'regiment names' for those within brigades. It just happened that brigades were named after their state (rather than their Brigadier/Colonel). Elements in brigades were always given generic names.

I too would like to see this option, as there already are names in the model files that could be applied to elements within brigades.

However, I don't know the extent of work required to get the game to take names from a pool and apply them to elements, and have them sequential. I believe there may be issues with units in larger formations, as the game does not see that they exist (they only see 'large' formations, not their sub-parts). At least this is how I think that things work...

[PBBoeye]

Speaking of names, I'd like to talk a bit about army names (hope not to kill the current topic - let's do this simultaneously).

I was thinking they probably need to be expanded a bit by area, so that names are a bit more localized to their formation area. That way if a player has three eastern armies, he doesn't end up with one with a name from a western area.

[McNaughton]

If you look in...

ACW\GameData\Factions

You will find...

1Confederate.fac
0Union.fac

(amongst others) where you can create, edit, etc., all armies (add as many as you want in a theatre). Something that could be developed, and tested by modders, then possibly added by AGEOD (instead of them doing the grunt work). Something I am toying for as a part of my mod (adding a few extra per theatre).

Extra armies, from what I have found...

Army of the Kanawha (CSA in West Virginia)
Army of the Northwest (CSA in West Virginia)
Army of the Peninsula (CSA in Richmond Peninsula)
Army of Missouri (CSA in Missiouri)
Many other 'armies' out west consolidated into the Army of the Mississippi/Army of Tennessee (CSA Basically State Troop commands 'federalized')
(Central Army of Kentucky, Army of Middle Tennessee, Army of Louisiana, etc...)

Army of West Virginia (USA to replace W.Virginia Command)
Army of the Mississippi (USA to replace Mississippi Command)
Army of Georgia (Late USA army)
Army of the Shenandoah (Patterson's Command in 1861)
Army of the Gulf (Command based on New Orleals)

Also, this website is pretty extensive showing confederate departments and armies, along with their general history.

http://www.csawardept.com/history/armies/index.html

[PBBoeye]

(amongst others) where you can create, edit, etc., all armies (add as many as you want in a theatre). Something that could be developed, and tested by modders, then possibly added by AGEOD (instead of them doing the grunt work). Something I am toying for as a part of my mod (adding a few extra per theatre).

Extra armies, from what I have found... <snip>

Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. Would probably behoove us to create a few more that are fictional, for areas that are remote or whatever - in case players create stuff there and for whatever reason they are fighting in that area.

[Le Ricain]

Actually, there never were 'regiment names' for those within brigades. It just happened that brigades were named after their state (rather than their Brigadier/Colonel). Elements in brigades were always given generic names.

I too would like to see this option, as there already are names in the model files that could be applied to elements within brigades.

However, I don't know the extent of work required to get the game to take names from a pool and apply them to elements, and have them sequential. I believe there may be issues with units in larger formations, as the game does not see that they exist (they only see 'large' formations, not their sub-parts). At least this is how I think that things work...

To return to the original topic. It seems that we have gained chrome by the addition of BG's names to brigades, but have lost the state affiliations. The elements are generic infantry. cavalry or arty and the Bde's usually have no state names. These generic elements tend to be what is seen during the game as the Bde's tend to be buried in the Divisions.

[gekkoguy82]

To return to the original topic. It seems that we have gained chrome by the addition of BG's names to brigades, but have lost the state affiliations. The elements are generic infantry. cavalry or arty and the Bde's usually have no state names. These generic elements tend to be what is seen during the game as the Bde's tend to be buried in the Divisions.

to me this hits the nail right on the head. i could be wrong, but it seems to me that a regiment's state affiliation was an enormous source of pride among the individual soldiers.

[McNaughton]

True, but in the end it really doesn't matter where a brigade is from (a New York brigade fights the same as an Indiana brigade).

Also, there is some merit to keep the current system. With named elements you cannot see if your battery contains 12-lb Napoleons or 10-lb Parrotts, it is just called something like '1st RI, Bty.A'. The current system tells you much more information. Hard to say which is the best way...