Occupier and Hated Occupier?
What exactly do these two traits do, in game terms? Thanks!
I have heard, in such a way as to believe it, of your recently saying that both the army and the government needed a dictator. Of course it was not for this, but in spite of it, that I have given you the command. Only those generals who gain success can be dictators. What I now ask of you is military success, and I will risk the dictatorship.
-Abraham Lincoln, 1863, in a letter to Major General Joseph Hooker.
-Abraham Lincoln, 1863, in a letter to Major General Joseph Hooker.
Wow...these must really be a mystery!
I have heard, in such a way as to believe it, of your recently saying that both the army and the government needed a dictator. Of course it was not for this, but in spite of it, that I have given you the command. Only those generals who gain success can be dictators. What I now ask of you is military success, and I will risk the dictatorship.
-Abraham Lincoln, 1863, in a letter to Major General Joseph Hooker.
-Abraham Lincoln, 1863, in a letter to Major General Joseph Hooker.
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GraniteStater
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They're really only of interest to the Union, there's only a few, there's a mouseover, IIRC, and the effect is more widely distributed with the Cards now.
They're what they say they are. The Leader has a Trait that dampens the grumbly types. Useful for St Louis in an April '61 start; maybe some other places. I've played the Union almost exclusively, and haven't really found the Leader to be that important, except for St Louis. But that's me.
They're what they say they are. The Leader has a Trait that dampens the grumbly types. Useful for St Louis in an April '61 start; maybe some other places. I've played the Union almost exclusively, and haven't really found the Leader to be that important, except for St Louis. But that's me.
[color="#AFEEEE"]"Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!"[/color]
-Daniel Webster
[color="#FFA07A"]"C'mon, boys, we got the damn Yankees on the run!"[/color]
-General Joseph Wheeler, US Army, serving at Santiago in 1898
RULES
(A) When in doubt, agree with Ace.
(B) Pull my reins up sharply when needed, for I am a spirited thoroughbred and forget to turn at the post sometimes.
-Daniel Webster
[color="#FFA07A"]"C'mon, boys, we got the damn Yankees on the run!"[/color]
-General Joseph Wheeler, US Army, serving at Santiago in 1898
RULES
(A) When in doubt, agree with Ace.
(B) Pull my reins up sharply when needed, for I am a spirited thoroughbred and forget to turn at the post sometimes.
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Way back in AACW you could apply martial law on a per state basis, which would also prevent any resources from being produced in that state for as long as martial law was in affect.
Since the advent of CW2 that was removed. There are Martial Law and Suspend Habeus Corpus RGD's which state that they raise the loyalty in a region by 20% and 25% respectively at a cost of -1NM an -1 development in the region for ML, and 3VP for HC, both after 3 turns, but state no other penalties.
I've used Fremont many times in Saint Louise to reduce the affects of the Saint Louise Massacre, which would often lower loyalty so far that I could not even build units there, but I cannot say that I remember that they prevented any resource production. So I guess that does not happen anymore.
The tool-tips for both are:
Occupier: When commanding a stack, this leader will not hesitate to proclaim Martial Law in any rebellious city he has to administer.
Hated Occupant: When commanding a stack, this leader applies Martial Law with extreme severity in any rebellious city he has to pacify.
I don't know if there's any difference between the two, or what it is, nor if there is any penalty for using either. I know from posts in the forum that the leader must be in command of his stack and inside the city. More I don't know.
Since the advent of CW2 that was removed. There are Martial Law and Suspend Habeus Corpus RGD's which state that they raise the loyalty in a region by 20% and 25% respectively at a cost of -1NM an -1 development in the region for ML, and 3VP for HC, both after 3 turns, but state no other penalties.
I've used Fremont many times in Saint Louise to reduce the affects of the Saint Louise Massacre, which would often lower loyalty so far that I could not even build units there, but I cannot say that I remember that they prevented any resource production. So I guess that does not happen anymore.
The tool-tips for both are:
Occupier: When commanding a stack, this leader will not hesitate to proclaim Martial Law in any rebellious city he has to administer.
Hated Occupant: When commanding a stack, this leader applies Martial Law with extreme severity in any rebellious city he has to pacify.
I don't know if there's any difference between the two, or what it is, nor if there is any penalty for using either. I know from posts in the forum that the leader must be in command of his stack and inside the city. More I don't know.
GraniteStater wrote:They're really only of interest to the Union, there's only a few, there's a mouseover, IIRC, and the effect is more widely distributed with the Cards now.
They're what they say they are. The Leader has a Trait that dampens the grumbly types. Useful for St Louis in an April '61 start; maybe some other places. I've played the Union almost exclusively, and haven't really found the Leader to be that important, except for St Louis. But that's me.
I figured they weren't game changers.
Captain_Orso wrote:Way back in AACW you could apply martial law on a per state basis, which would also prevent any resources from being produced in that state for as long as martial law was in affect.
Since the advent of CW2 that was removed. There are Martial Law and Suspend Habeus Corpus RGD's which state that they raise the loyalty in a region by 20% and 25% respectively at a cost of -1NM an -1 development in the region for ML, and 3VP for HC, both after 3 turns, but state no other penalties.
I've used Fremont many times in Saint Louise to reduce the affects of the Saint Louise Massacre, which would often lower loyalty so far that I could not even build units there, but I cannot say that I remember that they prevented any resource production. So I guess that does not happen anymore.
The tool-tips for both are:
Occupier: When commanding a stack, this leader will not hesitate to proclaim Martial Law in any rebellious city he has to administer.
Hated Occupant: When commanding a stack, this leader applies Martial Law with extreme severity in any rebellious city he has to pacify.
I don't know if there's any difference between the two, or what it is, nor if there is any penalty for using either. I know from posts in the forum that the leader must be in command of his stack and inside the city. More I don't know.
Capt. Orso, I really appreciate it that you took the time to respond and give me some great examples from your experience with the leaders. However, I find it quite troubling that we can't seem to pierce the vale on these and other game mechanics. In theory, it should not be difficult to figure out what any of these abilities do within the game, but this seems to be a trend with AGEOD games. Thanks again for the responses!
I have heard, in such a way as to believe it, of your recently saying that both the army and the government needed a dictator. Of course it was not for this, but in spite of it, that I have given you the command. Only those generals who gain success can be dictators. What I now ask of you is military success, and I will risk the dictatorship.
-Abraham Lincoln, 1863, in a letter to Major General Joseph Hooker.
-Abraham Lincoln, 1863, in a letter to Major General Joseph Hooker.
From the Wiki:
"These custom parameters apply:
Param0: Coefficient, altering the Police value of troops (default should be 100)
Param1: If current loyalty is under this value, loyalty will slowly raise toward this value.
Param2: If current loyalty is above this value, loyalty will slowly decline toward this value.
Param3: The actual value to use per turn for this raise/decline.
Param4: Change in loyalty point per turn, no condition (up to 100) from params 1 or 2, params 5 and 6 still apply.
Param5: if set to 1, change from this ability will not work if there is no city in region.
Param6: if loyalty is above this value, the ability will be disabled. Put 101 so that it always works"
from the data base:
[ATTACH]37947[/ATTACH]
"These custom parameters apply:
Param0: Coefficient, altering the Police value of troops (default should be 100)
Param1: If current loyalty is under this value, loyalty will slowly raise toward this value.
Param2: If current loyalty is above this value, loyalty will slowly decline toward this value.
Param3: The actual value to use per turn for this raise/decline.
Param4: Change in loyalty point per turn, no condition (up to 100) from params 1 or 2, params 5 and 6 still apply.
Param5: if set to 1, change from this ability will not work if there is no city in region.
Param6: if loyalty is above this value, the ability will be disabled. Put 101 so that it always works"
from the data base:
[ATTACH]37947[/ATTACH]
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I'm the 51st shade of gray. Eat, pray, Charge!
Gray Fox wrote:From the Wiki:
"These custom parameters apply...
Thanks Gray Fox!
I have heard, in such a way as to believe it, of your recently saying that both the army and the government needed a dictator. Of course it was not for this, but in spite of it, that I have given you the command. Only those generals who gain success can be dictators. What I now ask of you is military success, and I will risk the dictatorship.
-Abraham Lincoln, 1863, in a letter to Major General Joseph Hooker.
-Abraham Lincoln, 1863, in a letter to Major General Joseph Hooker.
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