Playing as france. 1806. The battles in late 1805 against the first coalition lasted two turns with Russia and Austria offering a quick peace. I accepted and continued war with Prussia (who had invaded my barvarian ally...which Prussia seems to like to do). Never took Venice or wien.
Anyway in 1806 I have technically fulfilled all the conditions to dispose of the hre and in f4 it is unlocked but it will not fire no matter how many times I try it.
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Colonel Marbot
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Are you at peace with the HRE and do they still own all their original territory, or have they ceded away any territory, such as Frankfurt or Nuremberg?
"Here I am sitting at a comfortable table loaded heavily with books, with one eye on my typewriter and the other on Licorice the cat, who has a great fondness for carbon paper, and I am telling you that the Emperor Napoleon was a most contemptible person. But should I happen to look out the window, down upon Seventh Avenue, and should the endless procession of trucks and carts come to a sudden halt, and should I hear the sound of heavy drums and see the little man on his white horse, in his old and much-worn green uniform, then I don't know, but I am afraid that I would leave my books and the kitten and my home and everything else to follow him wherever he cared to lead. My own grandfather did this, and Heaven knows he was not born to be a hero."
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The requirements, all of them as written in the description, were fulfilled. Yes, I was at peace, more morale, etc.
They had not ceded anything. In this game the third coalition war lasted two turns.
I suppose it is not working generally either but the reason I posted it was to see if it would work when the game doesn't stay on script which is very likely to happen.
This is a tough era to have a scripted game. There are just too many variables.
They had not ceded anything. In this game the third coalition war lasted two turns.
I suppose it is not working generally either but the reason I posted it was to see if it would work when the game doesn't stay on script which is very likely to happen.
This is a tough era to have a scripted game. There are just too many variables.
Hopefully the event is structured to fire as long as HRE owns ZERO OR MORE of these countries rather than all of them. Then it won't matter what's going on with scripting. If it's structured such that one country ceded causes the event to fail (and other events are structured like that) then there's another set of problems.
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Drake001 wrote:Playing as france. 1806. The battles in late 1805 against the first coalition lasted two turns with Russia and Austria offering a quick peace. I accepted and continued war with Prussia (who had invaded my barvarian ally...which Prussia seems to like to do). Never took Venice or wien.
Anyway in 1806 I have technically fulfilled all the conditions to dispose of the hre and in f4 it is unlocked but it will not fire no matter how many times I try it.
I won't work because you must be at peace with Prussia (event conditions). May be you waited too long to activate it...
How it works
1 - appears as "Locked" when France goes to war with Austria
2 - appears as "unlocked" (= playable) when France is at peace with both Austria and Prussia, Austria does not own Ulm/Wurzburg and has less than 100 Morale
3 - Any of the above condition not met means that the event won't trigger (even if displayed as possible)
True, the event should return to locked as soon as one condition is missing, but that would make it utterly complex.... In practice, you have a 'window of opportunity' to trigger the event, which is immediately after Austria is beaten, lost Ulm/Wurzburg, has less than 100 NM and before Prussia goes to war....may be 2-3 turns max..
How it works
1 - appears as "Locked" when France goes to war with Austria
2 - appears as "unlocked" (= playable) when France is at peace with both Austria and Prussia, Austria does not own Ulm/Wurzburg and has less than 100 Morale
3 - Any of the above condition not met means that the event won't trigger (even if displayed as possible)
True, the event should return to locked as soon as one condition is missing, but that would make it utterly complex.... In practice, you have a 'window of opportunity' to trigger the event, which is immediately after Austria is beaten, lost Ulm/Wurzburg, has less than 100 NM and before Prussia goes to war....may be 2-3 turns max..
Ok. I was at war with Prussia because they attacked on ally, Bavaria.
Those are pretty narrow conditions for an important event, one that then leads to another important event: the Rhine Confederation.
It would be wickedly ironic if in scripting events in order to make the game more historical that the scripting produced unhistoric outcomes. In other words, I don't know if a game be it against the AI or in a PBEM will follow along the path that leads to this, or any script, firing especially if it is too narrowly defined.
The above assumes a certain chain and sequence of events prior to the event firing.
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Not sure exactly what happened with Pressburg, but using this from Britannica
Treaty of Pressburg, (Dec. 26, 1805), agreement signed by Austria and France at Pressburg (now Bratislava, Slovakia) after Napoleon’s victories at Ulm and Austerlitz; it imposed severe terms on Austria. Austria gave up the following: all that it had received of Venetian territory at the Treaty of Campo Formio (see Campo Formio, Treaty of) to Napoleon’s kingdom of Italy; the Tirol, Vorarlberg, and several smaller territories to Bavaria; and other western lands of the Habsburg monarchy to Württemberg and Baden. Austria agreed to admit the electors of Bavaria and Württemberg, who were allied to Napoleon, to the rank of kings, and to release them, as well as Baden, from all feudal ties with the defunct Holy Roman Empire, thus sharply reducing Austrian influence in Germany. Austria agreed to pay an indemnity of 40,000,000 gold francs. As small compensation, Napoleon allowed Austria to annex Salzburg, Berchtesgaden, and the estates of the Teutonic Order. The French Empire received Piedmont, Parma, and Piacenza, and completely excluded Austria from influence in Italy. The treaty was an integral part of Napoleon’s policy of creating a ring of French client states beyond the Rhine, the Alps, and the Pyrenees.
Treaty of Pressburg, (Dec. 26, 1805), agreement signed by Austria and France at Pressburg (now Bratislava, Slovakia) after Napoleon’s victories at Ulm and Austerlitz; it imposed severe terms on Austria. Austria gave up the following: all that it had received of Venetian territory at the Treaty of Campo Formio (see Campo Formio, Treaty of) to Napoleon’s kingdom of Italy; the Tirol, Vorarlberg, and several smaller territories to Bavaria; and other western lands of the Habsburg monarchy to Württemberg and Baden. Austria agreed to admit the electors of Bavaria and Württemberg, who were allied to Napoleon, to the rank of kings, and to release them, as well as Baden, from all feudal ties with the defunct Holy Roman Empire, thus sharply reducing Austrian influence in Germany. Austria agreed to pay an indemnity of 40,000,000 gold francs. As small compensation, Napoleon allowed Austria to annex Salzburg, Berchtesgaden, and the estates of the Teutonic Order. The French Empire received Piedmont, Parma, and Piacenza, and completely excluded Austria from influence in Italy. The treaty was an integral part of Napoleon’s policy of creating a ring of French client states beyond the Rhine, the Alps, and the Pyrenees.
I can't even find Munich, lol.
This determines unlock of event. The bolded code looks bad. Should probably be EvalMorale=>;100
MinDate = 1806/01/01
EvalUnqUnit = Napoleon Bonaparte
EvalIsAtPeaceWith = PRU
EvalIsAtPeaceWith = AUS
EvalMorale = >=;100
EvalMorale = >;AUS
SelectFaction = AUS
EvalRgnOwned = $Ulm;NOT
EvalRgnOwned = $Wuerzburg;NOT
This determines unlock of event. The bolded code looks bad. Should probably be EvalMorale=>;100
MinDate = 1806/01/01
EvalUnqUnit = Napoleon Bonaparte
EvalIsAtPeaceWith = PRU
EvalIsAtPeaceWith = AUS
EvalMorale = >=;100
EvalMorale = >;AUS
SelectFaction = AUS
EvalRgnOwned = $Ulm;NOT
EvalRgnOwned = $Wuerzburg;NOT
Not really with this event. There's isn't a window per say. I believe the issue is more simple. Pressburg is leaving ULM in Austrian hands. The dissolution even is very clear that Austrian cannot have Ulm. Simple as that.
Sure it does. It assumes that the players and AI will play out the game historically before the event fires.
Should one permit Prussia to annex ally lands just to maintain the peace so you can fire the event? What if Prussia takes one of those cities? Then you go to war with them to get it back but you can't fire the event because you are at war with them. Make peace but Austria regains morale? What if you are fighting an early war with Prussia and you make a quick peace with the Austria so as not to be overwhelmed? There are likely more variations that could, and will, occur.
And then what happens afterwards will be bent as well.
And what are you suggesting?
Remove the evaluations for Austrian non-ownership of Ulm and Wuerzburg and that would open the event up. Then only requirements are peace with Austria and Prussia.
Luckily within the scripts there's an AI version and a Non-AI version. So changes could be made to support PBEM and kept for those playing AI and more of a scripted game.
Am I getting closer to what you are thinking?
Remove the evaluations for Austrian non-ownership of Ulm and Wuerzburg and that would open the event up. Then only requirements are peace with Austria and Prussia.
Luckily within the scripts there's an AI version and a Non-AI version. So changes could be made to support PBEM and kept for those playing AI and more of a scripted game.
Am I getting closer to what you are thinking?
This is really a second patch fix; there are too many urgent basic gameplay issues to resolve first.
The basic premise is this: players will play the game unhistorically, nearly all games will to some degree be unhistorical. So any scripted event that relies on history and the sequence of history may, perhaps, need to be looked at. The issue will come up once these first fixes have been made because the event and the game players are playing will not make sense. They won't fit.
The dissolution of the HRE and found of the Confed Rhine was THE seminal event of the period. Before that France was viewed with alarm especially by Austria (3 wars) and was largely confined to northern Italy and Holland. After, France became the Imperial power with, so it was feared, Imperial ambitions. This is a very condensed interpretation I know.
In RL Francis abdicated the HRE throne in May of 1806. The previous November the Duke of Dalberg, the HRE chancellor, requested Rhineland states secede and form the Confed under Napoleonic protection (while the war of third coalition was in progress). In July 1806 it was formed and initially Napoleon got - Bavaria, Wurtenberg, Baden, Berg, Hesse-Darmstadt, Nassau and ten city states or so along the Rhine Valley with Frankfurt as its capital. The confed was to pay France a protection fee and supply between 60 and 80k troops. Then, the HRE dissolved in August 1806.
Side note: Berlin protested and Talleyrand suggest they carry out their ambitions of forming a north german confederation of Saxony, Hesse-Cassel, etc all the while notifying those states that before they negotiated with Berlin they need to negotiate with France first.
So, in short:
The disband HRE and forming of the Confederation events should be contingent upon the Treaty of Pressberg event. The Treaty of Pressberg event should indicate that Austria has been thoroughly defeated and humiliated enough for the Rhine states to accept a new protector.
Ulm should be non-austrian held for the Treaty of Presberg to fire and taken out of the HRE and Confed logic. Wuerzburg should be removed from the event altogether.
NM considerations should probably be removed as well (or give a big NM hit to Austria for signing the treaty of Presberg) simply because of the unknown time it may take in any particular game between the signing of the Treaty of Presberg and the initiation of the Disband HRE event. Suppose, for whatever reason that we can guess or maybe can't guess now, the interval is too long and Austria is able to regain its NM? The signing of the Treaty of Pres itself should be humbling.
Last, war with Prussia. Who knows what Prussia AI or player will do and it shouldn't come to bear on the main event. However, I would suggest that if France is at peace with Prussia then it gets all the states listed above. If France is at war with Prussia then France should not get the northern most of those states - i.e. they should still be in "play" given Prussia's well known ambitions to form a north german confederation and perhaps they, those states, still believe they have a potential protector in Prussia. So, if France is at war with Prussia, then the newly formed Confederation would not include Nassau, Berg and Hesse.
I haven't got far enough in the game to see if there are any Spain events. But in defeating Prussia in one game, Saxony was at negative 100 relationship when in RL Napoleon was able to coerce them into their sphere....that should either be allowed or part of an enhanced diplomacy system.
The basic premise is this: players will play the game unhistorically, nearly all games will to some degree be unhistorical. So any scripted event that relies on history and the sequence of history may, perhaps, need to be looked at. The issue will come up once these first fixes have been made because the event and the game players are playing will not make sense. They won't fit.
The dissolution of the HRE and found of the Confed Rhine was THE seminal event of the period. Before that France was viewed with alarm especially by Austria (3 wars) and was largely confined to northern Italy and Holland. After, France became the Imperial power with, so it was feared, Imperial ambitions. This is a very condensed interpretation I know.
In RL Francis abdicated the HRE throne in May of 1806. The previous November the Duke of Dalberg, the HRE chancellor, requested Rhineland states secede and form the Confed under Napoleonic protection (while the war of third coalition was in progress). In July 1806 it was formed and initially Napoleon got - Bavaria, Wurtenberg, Baden, Berg, Hesse-Darmstadt, Nassau and ten city states or so along the Rhine Valley with Frankfurt as its capital. The confed was to pay France a protection fee and supply between 60 and 80k troops. Then, the HRE dissolved in August 1806.
Side note: Berlin protested and Talleyrand suggest they carry out their ambitions of forming a north german confederation of Saxony, Hesse-Cassel, etc all the while notifying those states that before they negotiated with Berlin they need to negotiate with France first.
So, in short:
The disband HRE and forming of the Confederation events should be contingent upon the Treaty of Pressberg event. The Treaty of Pressberg event should indicate that Austria has been thoroughly defeated and humiliated enough for the Rhine states to accept a new protector.
Ulm should be non-austrian held for the Treaty of Presberg to fire and taken out of the HRE and Confed logic. Wuerzburg should be removed from the event altogether.
NM considerations should probably be removed as well (or give a big NM hit to Austria for signing the treaty of Presberg) simply because of the unknown time it may take in any particular game between the signing of the Treaty of Presberg and the initiation of the Disband HRE event. Suppose, for whatever reason that we can guess or maybe can't guess now, the interval is too long and Austria is able to regain its NM? The signing of the Treaty of Pres itself should be humbling.
Last, war with Prussia. Who knows what Prussia AI or player will do and it shouldn't come to bear on the main event. However, I would suggest that if France is at peace with Prussia then it gets all the states listed above. If France is at war with Prussia then France should not get the northern most of those states - i.e. they should still be in "play" given Prussia's well known ambitions to form a north german confederation and perhaps they, those states, still believe they have a potential protector in Prussia. So, if France is at war with Prussia, then the newly formed Confederation would not include Nassau, Berg and Hesse.
I haven't got far enough in the game to see if there are any Spain events. But in defeating Prussia in one game, Saxony was at negative 100 relationship when in RL Napoleon was able to coerce them into their sphere....that should either be allowed or part of an enhanced diplomacy system.
Interesting points. Could you send me a mail to pthibaut@ageod.net showing some kind of "path of action" to follow your ideas... that will help finding a nice sequence of event. Now, what happens if, knowing that, the Austrian player never signs Pressburg, even if soundly defeated ?
Drake001 wrote:This is really a second patch fix; there are too many urgent basic gameplay issues to resolve first.
I haven't got far enough in the game to see if there are any Spain events. But in defeating Prussia in one game, Saxony was at negative 100 relationship when in RL Napoleon was able to coerce them into their sphere....that should either be allowed or part of an enhanced diplomacy system.
Tons of Spain Events. King in Brazil. All sorts of things going on. Most related to an invasion of Portugal. Haven't had time to figure them out yet and I don't remember the history.
Drake001 wrote:I haven't got far enough in the game to see if there are any Spain events. But in defeating Prussia in one game, Saxony was at negative 100 relationship when in RL Napoleon was able to coerce them into their sphere....that should either be allowed or part of an enhanced diplomacy system.
An event has been added: Saxony turncoat
When France occupies Dresden and Leipzig, the Saxons will sign peace and become friendly to France. 1806 or later only, and France and Prussia at war, so don't rush itSent the email a couple days ago. The Rhine Confederacy should include all those countries as French satellites with full supply/access. Exception could be made if France is at war with Prussia regarding the more northern of the states.
My game gets into a loop before I can make it to the Spain events; I was interested to see those.
My game gets into a loop before I can make it to the Spain events; I was interested to see those.
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