Civil War 2 Tournament

[pgr]

Looks like we are getting off to a good start.

I am feeling a bit at the center of attention with the update posts on battles and such. I don't mean any criticism for anything already posted, but I would ask that we refrain from posting too detailed of AAR's while this round is going on. I feel updates about what turn each game is on and VP totals is fine, but let's keep the details confidential until after the round. Feel free to keep a journal of events, and we can create a tournament AAR in a separate thread.

[Ace]

In both my games I had developments that, so I presume and guess, would have been going in another fashion, had it not been for the battle reports being posted here. I wouldn't yell at anybody posting reults and such here but go figure if really need be. Maybe without pictures and names of generals? Just two sentences of the overall standing?

I understand your concern, but these battle reports are not revealing opponents moves, or opponents disposition. These battles could have been red from an AAR that has nothing to do with the tournament. I know it has not influenced my moves at all in my games. If I revealed that Butler is arriving via event south of New Orleans, I do think that all players should know anyway. It is a historic event that did happen. To gain some advantage because my opponent did not know that would be too easy.

Anyway, I respect your opinion and have not posted any screenshots since. But, I would like you to reconsider - I wanted to give something more than just dry data because it is more fun to read it.

[Liberty Bell]

Feel free to reveal my strategies. We need to have some fun and humor in the war
General L. Bell

[Citizen X]

I understand your concern, but these battle reports are not revealing opponents moves, or opponents disposition. These battles could have been red from an AAR that has nothing to do with the tournament. I know it has not influenced my moves at all in my games. If I revealed that Butler is arriving via event south of New Orleans, I do think that all players should know anyway. It is a historic event that did happen. To gain some advantage because my opponent did not know that would be too easy.

Anyway, I respect your opinion and have not posted any screenshots since. But, I would like you to reconsider - I wanted to give something more than just dry data because it is more fun to read it.

There is nothing to reconsider. I made a point and would like to add that I won't yell at anybody for posting stuff. Just now everybody knows that there is an issue and to handle it responsibly.

That was nothing for me personally but what I thought might raise an issue for others, too.

[Lindi]

If I can propose to post only when this scenario is finish for all, with that you can't influenced, but you can see the best moment for the game.

If you not have all file or your are not motived or not have time only post here, the objectif windows with pv, moral and dead for all side.

[Ace]

Update:

Jim NC USA vs Pgr CSA
Early June
Jim 257 VP (+29/trn), 14.000 casualties so far
Pgr 283 VP (+33/trn), 11.000 casualties so far
Memphis held by US, Nashville by CSA

CitizenX USA vs Ace CSA
Early May
USA 73 VP (+29/trn), 29.000 casualties so far
CSA 172 VP (+34/trn), 21.000 casualties so far
no mayor objective changed hands, one big battle claiming 15.000 CSA and 20.000 USA casualties (25-30% of forces involved)

Ace USA vs Guru94 CSA
Trn 2 - nothing mayor to report

[pgr]

Update:

Jim NC USA vs Pgr CSA
Early June
Jim 257 VP (+29/trn), 14.000 casualties so far
Pgr 283 VP (+33/trn), 11.000 casualties so far
Memphis held by US, Nashville by CSA

CitizenX USA vs Ace CSA
Early May
USA 73 VP (+29/trn), 29.000 casualties so far
CSA 172 VP (+34/trn), 21.000 casualties so far
no mayor objective changed hands, one big battle claiming 15.000 CSA and 20.000 USA casualties (25-30% of forces involved)

Ace USA vs Guru94 CSA
Trn 2 - nothing mayor to report

I'll invoke my tournament director power here and say that updates should be modeled on how Ace posted above.
Turn (# and Month)
VP totals (vp accumulation rates), and casualties and control of notable cities.
Battle screens are allowed.

DO NOT post tactical commentary, descriptions of players strategies, or any other descriptive information. The updates in this thread will be just the basic game stats: VP totals, causalities, and control of strategic cities.

[pgr]

When all games get to turn 12, could the hosts please post a VP status report? I will then update the standings on the top of the thread.

[Highlandcharge]

Will do PGR

[pgr]

Ok, everyone look to the top of the thread. The new elimination bracket has been posted. Here is my thinking behind it. We only have 12 players, so the winner of each pool gets a free ride to the Semi-Finals AND will automatically get the Union slot. So that the number 1s don't have to wait an eternity, games between the numbers 2 and 3 will not be the full campaign.

I didn't want to use a battle, because they are too short. Most of the non-April 61 campaigns are just as long as the grand campaign. We have already done the west, and the Sibley campaign seems like a death sentence for the CSA. So that leaves Bloody Roads South. Assuming we all have the expansion (and do PM me if you do not have it...or make sure you win your group! ), it seems like a balanced option. It will be new to all of us, and the electoral campaign events give the CSA a real chance of winning if they can put up a real defense.

Now this does mean 3 April 61 games for the quarter final, semi-final, and final. It seems long, but most of the other campaign options seem just as long, and I don't want to resolve stuff by battles. So April 61 is 114 turns...

One way to attack the problem is a number of turns per week. I'm entertaining the idea of a minimum of 9 turns per week for the duration of the elimination bracket. (As in a turn a day and two on weekends, although would hate to have to enforce the rule.) Another possibility is to have the Quarter finals and semi-finals only last until turn 56 (I think that is sometime in 1863...).

So now is the time to comment on the bracket. I want to find a nice balance between time, campaigns, and possibility for both sides to win.


(P.S. If you are the number 1 seed and you prefer to play CSA, I will place you as CSA...you would have earned it after all )

[Lindi]

Question for scenario "Bloody Roads South"

I watch the scenario and If I play North Why not only wait to the end for win by vp?

I not really understand the scenario.

[I know is not good play but I need understant that scenario ! ]

[Ace]

So now is the time to comment on the bracket. I want to find a nice balance between time, campaigns, and possibility for both sides to win.

Your proposal has some ideas which I like and some which I do not like. First the one I like:
1) Winner of each pool gets a free ride to the quarters. Nice.

Now the ones I do not know whether I like or dislike.
1) No1 seed will automatically get Union. Actually I do not know if this is advantage or not. In the last patch, CSA VP have been increased in order to give CSA player a chance to win if he does better than history by 64/65. If we limit the game to '63, I don't know will the Union get enough time to catch up on VP.

Now the ones I do not like.
1) Group No2 and No3 playoff. I like the idea but not the scenario. I also like it will not be full Campaign nor the battle scenarios. But choosing BRS (or '64 Campaign) is a death sentence for the CSA player. The scenario is not balanced for PBEM play nor it should be. By this time in the war, Union was so overpowering, to portray the game any differently would not be historical. So, by choosing this scenario, you might as well eliminate No3 seed from the groups because there is no way they can win it.
Instead, I would propose Sibley scenario played with a simultaneous rematch, or if you want to stick to the expansion pack East Campaign scenario, but capped to 20 turns duration.
2) 9 turns/week is very very difficult to achieve. Remember you have to synchronize the 2 players, the host who do not have to be in the same time zone. This is a game, it is not an obligation, and if we enforce such strict requirements, it could become one. I like the idea of limiting the quarters and the semis for 24-48 turns, with a rematch. If everybody owns BRS expansion pack, 62 scenario (24 turns) would be nice, if not July scenario (with 48ish turns) would be nice as well. It would leave April scenario just for the Final.

[pgr]

A bit of an update... BRS cannot work (beyond Ace's comments) because not everyone has the expansion. So I will have to sort out the campaigns again. In any event, the STRUCTURE of the tournament, with the top seeds receiving byes is set...so keep playing hard.

As far as top ranked getting Union, I plan on letting the top seed choose his side. I guess I placed "Union" on the bracket to illustrate that the pool winners will get automatically to the semis AND they get to choose their side.

[Lindi]

Pgr(USA)-- Lindi (CSA)

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Turn 12

Lindi 444 VP (+34/trn), 25.080 casualties so far
Pgr 320VP (+27/trn), 29.737 casualties so far

[pgr]

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[FelixZ]

Skibear vs Liberty Bell, E May 62.

Two month battle for Humboldt, TN, finally ends with CSA retreat to Madison, TN.

VP USA 169 CSA 92. Casualties USA 10,320 CSA 24,285.

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[GraniteStater]

Skibear vs Liberty Bell, E May 62.

Two month battle for Humboldt, TN, finally ends with CSA retreat to Madison, TN.

VP USA 169 CSA 92. Casualties USA 10,320 CSA 24,285.

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What an odd result. Grant tears into the Strength but no Cohesion affected at all. Hardee kills a few, but wears down Grant quite a bit. Truly unusual.

Youse guys might want to make sure that Union Victory, Confederate Victory is displayed in the screenie - just a suggestion.

[Ace]

What an odd result. Grant tears into the Strength but no Cohesion affected at all. Hardee kills a few, but wears down Grant quite a bit. Truly unusual.

It may seem weird, but I can explain it. Hardee's troops were low on cohesion to begin with - division with a cohesion 80 has 4-5 cohesion points per element. - There is not much to loose anymore.

On the other side, firing as well as fighting uses cohesion points. That is why Grant troops lost more cohesion than Hardee's.

[GraniteStater]

Huh. Yeah, makes sense.

[Gen Sheridan]

Hello
I think I am too late to sign up for this Tournament. But am glad to see this game has a following. As I have been looking for a decent Civil War game since playing Sierra's CWG2 on the wow network. I am still learning how to play the game. Having bought the first ver. And never really getting the hang of it. Cw2 seems to be a bit more user friendly. Alot of game mechanices and concepts to learn. Looking forward to finding an opponent in the the not so distant future. As I learned from playing cwg2 playing the ai is alot differnt than playing a real person. Any advice is welcomed. Either thru this forum email or at lauder@hughes.net .
Sincerely Gen Sheridan***

[Ace]

Update:

Jim NC USA vs Pgr CSA
Halftime report
Jim 466 VP (+32/trn), 15.000 casualties so far
Pgr 355 VP (+26/trn), 12.000 casualties so far
Memphis, Corinth held by US, Nashville by CSA

[FelixZ]

Pool D Skibear (USA) vs Liberty Bell(CSA)

Skibear VP 493 (+ 37 turn) 19,725 Casualties

Liberty Bell VP 186 (+23 turn) 49,457 Casualties

CSA holds Mobile, Vicksburg, Chattanooga, Little Rock, El Paso

[Highlandcharge]

Here is a match report of the moni kerr (USA)-- Skibear (CSA) game...

We are at turn 6

USA Moni Kerr
NM 106
VP 159 +27 per turn
Casualties 7995

CSA SkiBear
NM 97
VP 153 +34 per turn
Casualties 17,085

Thanks

[GraniteStater]

moni kerr knows what he's doing - that's an Ouch! ratio in casualties.

[FelixZ]

Battle Report - Mobile E Feb 63 - Pool D Skibear(USA) vs Liberty Bell(CSA)

Four Days of Battle with 23 Rounds. USA wins all four Days gaining +10NM. USA Retreats.

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[FelixZ]

Missing screen shots

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[FelixZ]

Match Complete - Pool D Skibear(USA) vs Liberty Bell(CSA)

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[Skibear]

These numbers don't do justice to Liberty who fought like a demon to the bitter end, with a very effective guerrilla campaign too. Kudos for never giving the slightest hint of giving in, and also a fantastic turn rate.

[Liberty Bell]

Congratulations to the Winner Skibear. I got a real lesson from the very start on my winter holiday in Humboldt. I must say that the game is very unbalanced when I read about your "minor victory"??? Let's be honest it was a "superb major victory" in my Eyes Well done and good luck in the future tournament!

And thanks to our splendid host FelixZ. You're great!!!!
As beeing a non english speeking european, I don't know what the " the maytag repairman" is, but I sure like him after this!

[FelixZ]

Once apon a time advertising slogan from Maytag Appliance Manufacturer. Maytag repairman ads proclaimed that a Maytag serviceman just sat around waiting for a call because Maytags were so reliable