Confused

[Toten]

Hiya folks

First off I had never heard of this game before a few days ago and I am damn glad I found it! Waiting for years for a game like this. Thanks Dev's.

Anyways I think I screwed up my command structure. Its Aug 61 and finally got some div hqs up to the AOP... so I put it in my army stack...decide on Bonham as a corps Cmdr and split his bde before making him my corps Cmdr (think this was my mistake) so I try to reform his bde...but cant...put a div hq in the new formed corps...make a div no problem but the div consists of the 4 or 5 regs of the original Bonham bde...I know I can throw other brgs into this new div...but how do i get the 4 or 5 regs back into a bde?

Thanks for the help in advance guys. Sorry if this post is confusing but the thread name speaks for its self lol

[Walloc]

To my understand you cant split up brigades. At leased i've never found a methode and dont think there is suppose to be.
That leads me to think.
1: That the elements under Bonham was prior to splitting them up in fact just single element regiments gathered under a leader.
Thats easily done by taking 4 5 single element regiments and gather under a leader. This dont fit in with divisions so is a bad idea after u get divisions in general.
2: U found a bug.
3: im clueless and u can split up brigades.

Im betting on 1, but i've been wrong before.
Guess its 2...

Kind regards,

Rasmus

[denisonh]

I have seen it when you form a division then unform the division, that the brigades may noit reform into the same configuration as when the division formed.

I put a horse artillery battery in a division, but when I disbanded the division, the horse artillery battery was now part of a brigade and I now had a "foot" battery seperate that wasn't before.

Also, brigades with elements from different states do not seem to reform back the same either.

[Toten]

Thanks for the reply...your theory on them being individual elements maybe correct but from what I recall the name of the unit was Bonham's Bde which to me implies brigade structure...I should of messed with my army BEFORE I spent 25 mins doing the rest of my planning...I hope I can get back to my last turn to retry...The save system is the only aggravating thing I have found with this game so far (which pleases me greatly)

[caranorn]

It could be related to some of the problems introduced in the latest patch. That is how divisions of the Union Army of Northern Virginia split into individual regiments (with incorrect ID's too (a bunch of duplicate Regular regiments)). Normally Bonham's brigade should be splittable from the Division you created.

[swang]

actually, there's a difference between a brigade and a division. IIRC Bonham start's included with a Brigade, called Bonham's brigade. If you highlight that brigade and hit the -, Bonham will be disassociated from that brigade and can't go back.

If you add Bonham's brigade as a whole to a division and then hit - on the division, I think the same thing occurs, the brigade and the leader are now separate, and can no longer be combined. Bonham's brigade is typed as a standard VA large brigade (I think) so it will only take those, and a general is not part of it.

Jeff

[Toten]

I used the split button to separate Bonham from the brigade and I ended up with the leader and 4 or 5 regs now I cant reform those regs back into a brigade...I guess I should of used the - key to take Bonham out...But I assume there is a way to get those regs back to brigade status...

[Pocus]

not for now sorry, the problem comes from these special brigades where the leader is litterally integrated in the brigade from the setup. This is not a normal case, as you can't add a leader to a brigade, except for cavalry... but even in this case, if you add the leader, you still get the reference to him in the tooltip. Not here... this is why when you split the brigade, the game do what it can, and thus slice the entire unit.

We are thinking of a revision of this logic, but for now this is not a priority for us, as dozens of requests are already issued by the players.

[caranorn]

Maybe just change the entry of those brigades for now, that is give leader and brigade separately until a solution is found for teh odd splitting into regiments and batteries.

[iceboy]

not for now sorry, the problem comes from these special brigades where the leader is litterally integrated in the brigade from the setup. This is not a normal case, as you can't add a leader to a brigade, except for cavalry... but even in this case, if you add the leader, you still get the reference to him in the tooltip. Not here... this is why when you split the brigade, the game do what it can, and thus slice the entire unit.

We are thinking of a revision of this logic, but for now this is not a priority for us, as dozens of requests are already issued by the players.

Do the units integrated with the leader get any special benefits?

[PhilThib]

Yes they do...

[Toten]

I didn't realize you could make Bonham a corps Cmdr while still being in charge of a brigade. I assumed that you need to take away the original command to give him the corps, which is not the case. My Command structure is now nice and tidy. Thanks for all the responses guys.

[Hidde]

I think it can happen with other brigades than integrated ones. I had a division under A P Stewart wich I belive is an ordinarie brigade general. When I split his division one of the brigades were split as well. I apologize if I'm wrong about this but I thought it was worth mention.

[Pocus]

the normal process is to add the leader to a unit (merge him), and if you can, you should see his name cited in the tooltip (XXX is made of leader Y). In this case there is a reference to the leader, and detach will work. If there is no reference, the code will have to slice the unit into new units, one element into each new unit.