Pride of Nations has MULTIPLAYER as well ;)

[Kensai]

In case you don't know it, Pride of Nations has a very well-built multiplayer system and there are already three games running and possibly more to come. I, for one, invite historical-savvy players interested in realistic challenges to join a Game of 'Victorian' Thrones (now that peace has returned to the realm).

All AGEOD titles are gems in multiplayer cause there any complains of the AI not working properly are simply not valid.

[Irish_Brigade]

Just got the game last night and played a few hours. Looking forward to making it over the learning curve and taking part in one of the games. You game on the PBEM forum is what peaked my interests into trying the game out. So thank you.

[ajnatalo]

What nations are available currently?

[Jim-NC]

There are currently 3 different PBEMs in the threads (you can find them all in the PBEM and multiplayer mathcups thread). Each has different countries available. In no particular order they are:

Kensai's Victorian Thrones (which is a split off from Conflict in Europe - see below)
Conflict in Europe
World in Conflict

[Kensai]

All three games have different aspects to stress so it depends mainly on what you want. Obviously do not expect extreme historical accuracy in any of them since as we move forward in time we deviate somehow, by player choices. This is natural. However historical realism may be an issue as different games have different house rules and in-game settings, as well as scripted changes demanded by players. They are all more or less around 1880, which is starting to become the most interesting part of the era.

The Game of 'Victorian' Thrones is heavy on historical realism, ie taking seriously the real historical possibilities of the era. It has many open slots for major nations (from behemoths like Great Britain to tiny Belgium, and some secondary nations as well). Personally I do not ask for experience, we were all newbies once in this game, but I expect involvement (ie roleplaying some diplomacy, getting into the role, etc). Do not freak out, the game pace in all games is rather slow (usually one turn per day) so it is pretty compatible with real life commitments and/or other games.

[Irish_Brigade]

Hmm, I may be messaging you in a week Kensai. I would like to try out your game, and I love history. But I am going on vacation next week so would be a bad time to start. After going through Loki's Italy aar I have a decent understanding of the game an think I am doing real good so far.

[Irish_Brigade]

Also, is there a place that list current available positions in the games? I have not been able to locate it if so.

[Kensai]

With the exception of Japan and Greece, all the rest is potentially available. I would suggest you consider a country without too many commitments in the beginning, just to get the hand of it, but if you are serious about it all options are open. Have a great vacation, send me a PM if you are still interested when you're back.

[Jim-NC]

Also, is there a place that list current available positions in the games? I have not been able to locate it if so.

No, there is not a specific area that lists possibilities for the different games. You will have to ask.

For Victorian Thrones, for example everyone but Japan and Greece are open.
For CIE, there could be some very minor nations available (like Columbia or Egypt - if the current players are willing to let them go).
For WIC, it appears that Spain is available at this time.

I must note that people join and quit a game every so often, so in 2 weeks a different set of countries may be available.

[Sir Garnet]

Portugal is available in CIE but while there is trade, industry, and colonial development to work on, it is neutral and so not a lot of "action" other than chasing down pirates at sea.

[Random]

No, there is not a specific area that lists possibilities for the different games. You will have to ask.

For Victorian Thrones, for example everyone but Japan and Greece are open.
For CIE, there could be some very minor nations available (like Columbia or Egypt - if the current players are willing to let them go).
For WIC, it appears that Spain is available at this time.

I must note that people join and quit a game every so often, so in 2 weeks a different set of countries may be available.

To be honest, I have been closely following Conflict in Europe but have remained hanging back from getting into the queue to play because I did not think that my PON skill level was up to the level of the competition. However, of late the degree of inter-Player toxicity in the game's various threads appears to have increased to the point where joining would seem to be a very bad idea. That's sad since there is so much positive to take away from the Member's postings for even casual PON players as some of the solutions to game problems generated by the Players have been brilliant but of late unnecessary drama and invective seems to be the order of the day.

-C

[Irish_Brigade]

To be honest, I have been closely following Conflict in Europe but have remained hanging back from getting into the queue to play because I did not think that my PON skill level was up to the level of the competition. However, of late the degree of inter-Player toxicity in the game's various threads appears to have increased to the point where joining would seem to be a very bad idea. That's sad since there is so much positive to take away from the Member's postings for even casual PON players as some of the solutions to game problems generated by the Players have been brilliant but of late unnecessary drama and invective seems to be the order of the day.

-C

I've played a few play by post game of politics and war like this. I've noticed in close knit communities of game play you get a little bad blood and rivalry that occurs from time to time. It generally works its way out.

[bjfagan]

To be honest, I have been closely following Conflict in Europe but have remained hanging back from getting into the queue to play because I did not think that my PON skill level was up to the level of the competition. However, of late the degree of inter-Player toxicity in the game's various threads appears to have increased to the point where joining would seem to be a very bad idea. That's sad since there is so much positive to take away from the Member's postings for even casual PON players as some of the solutions to game problems generated by the Players have been brilliant but of late unnecessary drama and invective seems to be the order of the day.

-C

Unfortunately, that is going to happen when you get many human beings together who are passionate about playing a game. Things have cooled down.

[Jonathan Pollard]

I think Holland is also available now in CiE.

[Kensai]

I will take over Holland in CIE. It is not available.

[Sir Garnet]

I think Holland is also available now in CiE.

That is a stronger choice than Portugal economically and militarily and should be good for a new player.

[Kensai]

There is need of a player who knows the geopolitical opportunities of such a nation, including its past actions in Korea. Continuity is paramount.

[Jim-NC]

3 nations under 1 player? That seems like a lot, or are you giving up on 1 of them?

[Jonathan Pollard]

Yes, 3 nations under 1 player seems a lot to me too, but since there is no house rule against it I guess it must be allowed. Unless you want to consider that someone would want to play 3, 4, 5, or more countries an unexpected occurrence that should be voted upon. House rules sometimes do not take into account the unexpected.

[Kensai]

I wasn't planning to give up anything, actually.
For three reasons: first of all, Citizen X already plays 3 countries (Ottoman Empire, Egypt, Colombia) and nobody complained. Why are you bringing this up now that I opted for it? Second, some turns ago I asked bjfagan to turn HOL to AI and he didn't do it. Nobody complained, nobody desired to take that country. Why should it be a problem now that I want to play it given that both Japan and Greece are "occupied" (in initiative terms) and I have some spare time? Third, I simply want to continue the plan the previous players of Netherlands had, including an interest in Korea now that everyone else is occupied. Don't blame me for that plan, it was Spinoza's original plan before the Americans intervened!

[Sir Garnet]

Netherlands is a suitable PBEM country for a new player.

Re CIE - there are house rules on multiple countries and conflicts and there is open Dutch peace treaty scripting to be done.

EDIT: This and the preceding CIE-related posts should be moved to http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?28298-PON-Conflict-in-Europe-General-Thread.

[bjfagan]

Unfortunately, that is going to happen when you get many human beings together who are passionate about playing a game. Things have cooled down.

I stand corrected.

[Jim-NC]

I wasn't planning to give up anything, actually.
For three reasons: first of all, Citizen X already plays 3 countries (Ottoman Empire, Egypt, Colombia) and nobody complained. Why are you bringing this up now that I opted for it? Second, some turns ago I asked bjfagan to turn HOL to AI and he didn't do it. Nobody complained, nobody desired to take that country. Why should it be a problem now that I want to play it given that both Japan and Greece are "occupied" (in initiative terms) and I have some spare time? Third, I simply want to continue the plan the previous players of Netherlands had, including an interest in Korea now that everyone else is occupied. Don't blame me for that plan, it was Spinoza's original plan before the Americans intervened!

Your right, no one complained. I didn't think about that. We should probably do something about that as well. I stand corrected, it is not currently a big deal to run 3 countries.

[Kensai]

Re CIE - there are house rules on multiple countries and conflicts and there is open Dutch peace treaty scripting to be done.

I know, right? I authored most of them.

Regarding the Dutch peace treaty, you are talking probably about the effects of the Dutch-Brazilian peace, right? I cannot believe it you haven't prepared them yet. We were in the old forums when I had last asked about them!!

[nemethand]

To be honest, I have been closely following Conflict in Europe but have remained hanging back from getting into the queue to play because I did not think that my PON skill level was up to the level of the competition. However, of late the degree of inter-Player toxicity in the game's various threads appears to have increased to the point where joining would seem to be a very bad idea. That's sad since there is so much positive to take away from the Member's postings for even casual PON players as some of the solutions to game problems generated by the Players have been brilliant but of late unnecessary drama and invective seems to be the order of the day.

-C

If you really want to experience PON, this "nuisance" should not discourage you. Have you ever played Diplomacy? PON plays out the same way, in addition, equipped with some other features.

I would encourage you to give it a try. You may simply disregard the general issues thread and focus on the diplo thread, which is an interesting and exciting reading in itself, and even more if you are part of it.

House rules sometimes do not take into account the unexpected.

No written rule ever does that.

[armand453]

I'd like to try a multiplayer game. I didnt play since one year to pon, but made several solo games with one as far as 1890. I used to follow multiplayer threads on paradox, but it seems i am not able to find any information on ongoing multiplayer gamer on ageod?

[Jonathan Pollard]

The multiplayer PON games are discussed in the "PBEM and multiplayer matchups (all games)" subforum.

[Kensai]

Sometimes the AI (if scripted correctly with objectives and priorities) does more or less what historically happened. I am fascinated about Chile's movements in the War of the Pacific. Sure, humans are much more "unexpected" in their moves and may divert from historical reality, but it is proof that the game works as intended with the correct initial instructions.