[PON] World In Conflict - General Discussion Thread

[Ech Heftag]

Current vote:

1850 - 4: Jim-NC, Lindi, ojodeaguila, bjfagan
1880 - 5: lukasberger, PhilThib, Soulstrider, unclejoe, Matto
abstain: coolbean, nemethand
no vote: Ech_Heftag, Vezina

Keep the votes coming!

edit: added bjfagan to 1850 votes, since he mentioned preferring 1850 on the last page.

I've already voted for the 1850 campaign, if I remember correctly (the reason is, I don't own the DLC yet, so it'd be more comfortable for me to use the 1850 scenario...)

[lukasberger]

Will add your vote.

[lukasberger]

Current vote:

1850 - 5: Jim-NC, Lindi, ojodeaguila, bjfagan, Ech_Heftag
1880 - 5: lukasberger, PhilThib, Soulstrider, unclejoe, Matto
abstain: coolbean, nemethand
no vote: Vezina

Keep the votes coming!

edit: added bjfagan to 1850 votes, since he mentioned preferring 1850 on the last page.

So it's up to Vezina to break our tie, unless coolbean or nemethand want to rethink their abstentions.

[Jim-NC]

I don't own the 1880 DLC either.

[unclejoe]

I don't own the 1880 DLC either.

I don't own it either......it doesn't cost much does it? Does one need it to play it PBEM?

[Soulstrider]

Doesn't seem to be very expensive

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-PONSA/pride-of-nations-the-scramble-for-africa-dlc

[Lindi]

lol, I not see that dlc containt, with the picture I have think 1 scenario for 1 or many war in africa, so not buy . (I play, and I buy too much game of ageod in fast time for read all... but I needed read all...)

But if the people chose that I buy is correct, but I keep my vote for 1850.


PS : For exemple I have BoR but I not have time for try the punic war or all scenario, I have only try small campagne.

[Soulstrider]

lol, I not see that dlc containt, with the picture I have think 1 scenario for 1 or many war in africa, so not buy . (I play, and I buy too much game of ageod in fast time for read all... but I needed read all...)

But if the people chose that I buy is correct, but I keep my vote for 1850.

The content is in the bottom


The Scramble for Africa is the longest scenario for Pride of Nations yet. Taking place for 40 years starting in 1880, the rapid colonization of Africa by European powers is underway.

With most major powers operating with a strong industrial base, it’s time to set your sights abroad. The Berlin Conference of 1878 has set the guidelines for colonization and the Dark Continent is up for grabs. Colonial expansion isn’t the only worry though. Rampant Imperialism is triggering a global tension and The Great War looms on the horizon. Will you avoid world conflict or will you lead your nation to victory when the Guns of August begin to fire?

Features

Colonialism is in full swing as all the great powers race for land, resources and dominance in Africa
Rising tensions will potentially lead up to The Great War
Unlock new units and technologies
A strong starting base for all contending nations

[Lindi]

When I post I have read, no is just me to stupid for understand the proposition for 1880 is not only a big script as the other PBM game but only a good dlc .

I only understand that when I see, "I don't own the 1880 DLC either. " (me :bonk


edit : if equal the proposition is?

[coolbean]

Is the vote for start date really tied? I want to get this game startedddddd

[lukasberger]

I suspect that ownership of the DLC is only needed by the player who starts the game. The DLC only adds a new scenarion, no new content. So once the scenario is started and the turns uploaded I think even those of you who don't own the 1880 DLC will have no problem playing as normal.

If so then someone who owns the DLC (myself, PhilThib even) can simply run the first turn, then everyone can play as normal.

Hopefully PHilThib can confirm if this is the case.

[PhilThib]

Yes, no problem. Anyway, I shall prepare a special installer for all of us that will put what is necessary to play this specific campaign (will work like a patch). I am preparing the main files today, and will be able to complete it when we finally decide the start date.

PS: FYI, surprisingly, it will be easier and faster to process if we do a 1880 Campaign. If we opt for 1850 start, I'll need may be another 4-5 extra days to fix the initial balance and in particular tweak the colonial actions to avoid early un-historical un-balancing scramble. ... but of course, the challenge is more interesting for some nations (including my Prussia...:mdr

[Matto]

Sounds great !!!

[bjfagan]

I have the 1880 DLC too.

[Ojodeaguila]

Ojo de Águila: 1850

I think that is better the 1850 as initial date because it make small nations like Spain, Belgium or Netherlands more competitive. The difference between the nations will be too big at 1880 and make impossible for some nations a real competence in the race for Africa.

[lukasberger]

Is the vote for start date really tied? I want to get this game startedddddd

Same here. You could always break the tie yourself. Doesn't look like Vezina is going to.

Of course since the 1880 DLC isn't actually needed, perhaps some of those who voted for 1850 because they don't have the 1880 scenario will change their minds.

[coolbean]

Same here. You could always break the tie yourself. Doesn't look like Vezina is going to.

Of course since the 1880 DLC isn't actually needed, perhaps some of those who voted for 1850 because they don't have the 1880 scenario will change their minds.

In this case, in order to break the tie so we can get started, I vote for 1880.

[PhilThib]

Cool...I am finishing up the adjustment for 1880 WinC campaign. I hope to be able to complete all fixes and changes later tonight, and will send the files and scenario for reviewing to lukasberger so we can set a starting date.. We need to decide how it will be run, who shall host, etc...etc..

[Ojodeaguila]

Economic Crisis

Some economies will need more than 2000 private capital per turn to avoid the capital shortage and inflation in 1880 scenario.

Anyone know how will work the economic crisis system?

[unclejoe]

Also, will we allow deals....that take scripting? Like: China will get Hong Kong from Britain for 'consideration' .....without having War Score to do it in game.
And, another deal which has taken place in the other game....selling of warships to another country. With only majors, this probably won't be an issue...... Still, one country might sell or give ships for 'consideration' of some kind.


Also, if there are external treatys....do they have to have a casus belli to declare war and so forth? (I have a treaty with Britain, they are being attacked, I declare vs. attacker......even tho' I have no in game casus belli.)


If it is all kept In-game, it is a lot cleaner.....less fighting with words. Secret treatys ....... hmm.......

[Lemoni]

Hi guys, I would like to join your pbem game. Unfortunately I just saw this thread and I didn t follow all your discussion. I could take Holland first choice and Belgium second choice
if they are still available. I vote for a 1850 campaign. I own Pon ,patch 1.03d and Scrable for Africa.

[lukasberger]

Hi guys, I would like to join your pbem game. Unfortunately I just saw this thread and I didn t follow all your discussion. I could take Holland first choice and Belgium second choice
if they are still available. I vote for a 1850 campaign. I own Pon ,patch 1.03d and Scrable for Africa.

I think we might have finally decided to play 1880. However I think Holland is still available, unless Vezina wants them. He's got first crack at them since he asked to join earlier and is a member of CIE. However he never confirmed that he wants Holland, if he doesn't do so, then you can probably have them.

[Ojodeaguila]

I think we might have finally decided to play 1880. However I think Holland is still available, unless Vezina wants them. He's got first crack at them since he asked to join earlier and is a member of CIE. However he never confirmed that he wants Holland, if he doesn't do so, then you can probably have them.

If holland is not available, Sweden still open for new players.

[lukasberger]

PhilThib has suggested leaving Sweden and Brazil as ai countries.

[Lemoni]

I think we might have finally decided to play 1880. However I think Holland is still available, unless Vezina wants them. He's got first crack at them since he asked to join earlier and is a member of CIE. However he never confirmed that he wants Holland, if he doesn't do so, then you can probably have them.

Ok for me! I want so much to play Pbem this game ( I used to play Austerlitz pbem along time ago) that I will accept any availiable country and starting date 1850 or 1880. Just let me Know
My name is George and I come from Greece. Usually I am online every day about 20.00-23.00 GMT. Nice to "meet" you guys

[Vezina]

I no longer have an interest in playing. Lemoni can have it.

[Lindi]

Result final for vote to begin date?

[Sir Garnet]

1880 is a nice campaign with Africa revealed and an actual scramble and everyone would be active right off the bat. It is what I'd suggest over 1850 for someone playing PON for the first time.

Latin American countries are incomplete in a number of areas but a fertile field for human players to invest/compete and will be more fun for the human players kept that way. China is certainly playable even though limited in some ways, but as AI would be a magnet for rivalry and activity and even conflict as it was historically so keeping it not an active player would be a better balanced game. Human Sweden would be good given its location and it is a fully-furnished country with enough to be engaging - even a modest colonial side to it.

Not to say that AI countries don't need some human assistance at times or that you can't have special rules for interaction/scripting involving AI countries.

[Lemoni]

I no longer have an interest in playing. Lemoni can have it.

So it is Holland for me. If we still vote I vote 1850 but if you decide1880 it is ok .

[Ojodeaguila]

Phllippe , when will be the patch ready?