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Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:17 am

Reports from the Front

((This first one is from last turn. Forgot to post it.))

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A skirmish in northwestern Africa led to the rout of the German expeditionary Force

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Coastal defense squadrons were mustered and sent out to disperse the German naval spies off of the coast of France. 8 such vessels were found and destroyed in the Channel

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In other news, Marshal Niel and Marshal de Mac-Mahon surprised a Belgian force in Luxembourg. Terms of surrender are being offered to the defenders, but no answer is expected from the Belgians as is their tradition.
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Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:34 am

Jim-NC wrote:Open Letter to the Spanish Government from HM Government

To the Republic of Spain,

On behalf of the British Government, and having just finished in a war that we started (and we admit as much), it pains our government to have to go back to war. However, we feel that what has transpired over the last few month has been startling and a whirlwind of activity. Given that, we note the recent declaration of war by Spain on it's former ally France. We seek peace, and as such we ask the Spanish Government to stop it's war, and return to status quo ante in regards to French-Spanish relations. We therefore issue an ultimatum to Spain to remove it's army from French soil, or we will be forced to declare war on Spain.

We are for peace, but are prepared for war. Our Ultimatum will expire in 2 weeks (OOC - by the processing of next turn). If we have not received a satisfactory answer, we will be forced to use our CB to declare war.

Signed,
Lord Gladstone for HM Government


Open Letter to Germany and Italy:

We expect both countries to honor their NAPs with our country as per our recent peace treaty.

Signed,
Lord Gladstone for HM Government


The German government is surprised to hear Great Britain is ready to jump into another war right after their last disastrous war. Will the British ever learn? Will they ever stop trying to attack everyone on this planet? We must remind Mister Gladstone that it was the French who attacked Germany and for the second time. Not even a fair and honorable attack, but when half of the German military was away returning from their campaigns in the Middle East.

Spain is now coming to the aid of the victim of an unprovoked attack and invasion. Much like Germany and Russia did for the Ottoman Empire. Much like the USA and France did for Korea. We Germans are always amazed at how some countries change their principles to suit some insidious purpose.

Germany is now under attack by France and Austria. Both wars were not started by Germany and nothing was done to provoke these attacks. Neutral relations were maintained with both powers. Spain has done absolutely nothing to harm or interfere with Britain in any way, so there is no justification for Britain to declare war against Spain. Considering that France never came to the aid of Great Britain in the belligerent war started by Britain, we see no reason why Britain should come to the aid of France in their belligerent war against Germany.

Spain has come to the aid of Germany in her time of distress and is now considered an ally. Any attack on Spain by Great Britain will be viewed as an attack on Germany. War between our two nations will resume. We hope and pray that Great Britain will stay out of this war and not help belligerent powers. Germany thought Britain learned her lesson and would start on a more neutral and pragmatic approach to global politics. A frank and honest discussion between major powers is recommended approach to this crisis, not a sudden rush into another war.

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Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:44 am

Germans diplomats clearly need to learn the definition of the word "provoke." Occupying French land by force is a constant provocation. It speaks volumes of the French that we even allowed you to march half of your army away from our border to stop an unprovoked action, but when it became obvious that once again Germany was in it for land, we had no reason to hold back any more.

Perhaps when you do not occupy land owned by our country for centuries - land that was gained in your own war when half of the French army was away in Italy, no less - then we can consider ourselves at "neutral relations." Anyone, including Prussians, that thought France was neutral with regard to Germany is blind and most probably daft.

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Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:56 am

IMPERIO DO BRASIL
October 14, 1873

The Empire of Brazil never expected that Spain would become a major threat to peace and a destabilizing force in Europe, nor take actions which betray the principles and policies long and successfully pursued by the Kingdom and contributing to a sound reputation for prudent and reasonable diplomacy in peace and reliability in war. Under the radical republican regime, Spanish policy has become dangerously short-sighted, opportunistic and destabilizing and has exacerbated an already grave international situation. We question the legitimacy of the current radical revolutionary republican government in control of Madrid and their rash actions.

It is not Brazil's role as a friend of Spain to restore there a responsible and legitimate government. Accordingly, we declare our support of Britain in forcing the Spanish invaders out and a peace between France and the current regime controlling Spain with no territorial concessions by France. In furtherance of our undertakings with the Kingdom of Spain, Imperial forces will be instructed to offer to restore the authority of the Kingdom of Spain to any Spanish territories recovered from the republican regime unless there is good cause not to do so - however, to avoid creating false hopes, this is not a pledge or undertaking to restore the monarchy, which is beyond our power to accomplish alone. Spain may become a prudent, sober and responsible republic like the others that dot the globe.

Brazilians have no appetite for another war, but will not abandon their responsibility to Iberia and the balance of power. War will be costly in blood and coin and cloud good relations. In the interest of avoiding the necessity of bloodshed, we will offer to pay into the Spanish treasury f2400 in state funds, divided into 6 quarterly installments, in payment if they immediately cease combat, withdraw, and make peace before we must forge casus belli to declare war.

Even prior to the latest disclosures of Spanish intentions against South America, we consulted with our allies regarding this grave situation. As the alliance is intended for defense, we have not asked them to intervene overseas and provide that alliances may be cancelled to avoid becoming enmeshed in war overseas. Declarations of war are expected against Brazil by Germany in the vigorous exercise of its global pax Germanica philosophy and from the Italians, who have recently been unwilling to waste casus belli.

We invite and encourage other powers, whether or not presently engaged in conflict, to support this effort.

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Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:13 am

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Germany Reneges on Non-Aggression Pact Mere Months after Signing: Polls Show Zero Frenchmen Actually Surprised

In a typical press release from the German Empire, the Prussian government lambasted the British ultimatum to Spain and pretended yet again to be an innocent victim. This victim excuse, used extensively despite forcefully occupying territory previously owned by just under half of their neighboring nations along with threatening the Japanese into ceding Ryukyu and ripping land away from the British, stated additionally that Germany has every intention of not honoring the newly-signed peace treaty and non-aggression pact between the Empire of Germany and the British Empire.

This statement, of course, flies in the face of the intention of what a non-aggression pact actually entails: a period of no aggression. As nothing in the peace treaty states that Britain will not go to war with Spain or any other nation that Germany finds unacceptable beyond other signatories of the peace treaty, nothing seems to support the German stance. It appears that Germany is willing to shun diplomatic protocol yet again to get its way.

In spite of the astonishment among the diplomatic circles in Europe, studies by the University of Rouen have shown that no Frenchmen expected anything different from their belligerent eastern neighbors. "No doubt, Germany will make this an excuse to claim Scotland, due to some common ethnic heritage of large beards or some such. Anything for new ill-gotten lands for those Prussian types." an M. D'Anjou of Paris was quoted as saying. It remains unclear what will take place in the next few weeks, but it is doubtful that the international opinion will favor the breaking of a treaty so recently after agreeing to it.

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Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:53 am

Jim-NC wrote:Open Letter to the Spanish Government from HM Government

To the Republic of Spain,

On behalf of the British Government, and having just finished in a war that we started (and we admit as much), it pains our government to have to go back to war. However, we feel that what has transpired over the last few month has been startling and a whirlwind of activity. Given that, we note the recent declaration of war by Spain on it's former ally France. We seek peace, and as such we ask the Spanish Government to stop it's war, and return to status quo ante in regards to French-Spanish relations. We therefore issue an ultimatum to Spain to remove it's army from French soil, or we will be forced to declare war on Spain.

We are for peace, but are prepared for war. Our Ultimatum will expire in 2 weeks (OOC - by the processing of next turn). If we have not received a satisfactory answer, we will be forced to use our CB to declare war.

Signed,
Lord Gladstone for HM Government


Open Letter to Germany and Italy:

We expect both countries to honor their NAPs with our country as per our recent peace treaty.

Signed,
Lord Gladstone for HM Government


The British government can try to mediate in the conflict but this threat will not receive respond.

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Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:07 am

The OE is sad to hear of the stand taken by it's friend and long time trading partner Brazil (and Chile and Argentina?). While we respect the rights of the nations of South America to make their own choices in this matter, we cannot support them in any way as they do so. So if the South American nations enter this war arrayed against Germany, the OE will be forced to end its considerable purchases from them for the duration of the conflict.

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Sir Garnet wrote:IMPERIO DO BRASIL
October 14, 1873

The Empire of Brazil never expected that Spain would become a major threat to peace and a destabilizing force in Europe, nor take actions which betray the principles and policies long and successfully pursued by the Kingdom and contributing to a sound reputation for prudent and reasonable diplomacy in peace and reliability in war. Under the radical republican regime, Spanish policy has become dangerously short-sighted, opportunistic and destabilizing and has exacerbated an already grave international situation. We question the legitimacy of the current radical revolutionary republican government in control of Madrid and their rash actions.

It is not Brazil's role as a friend of Spain to restore there a responsible and legitimate government. Accordingly, we declare our support of Britain in forcing the Spanish invaders out and a peace between France and the current regime controlling Spain with no territorial concessions by France. In furtherance of our undertakings with the Kingdom of Spain, Imperial forces will be instructed to offer to restore the authority of the Kingdom of Spain to any Spanish territories recovered from the republican regime unless there is good cause not to do so - however, to avoid creating false hopes, this is not a pledge or undertaking to restore the monarchy, which is beyond our power to accomplish alone. Spain may become a prudent, sober and responsible republic like the others that dot the globe.

Brazilians have no appetite for another war, but will not abandon their responsibility to Iberia and the balance of power. War will be costly in blood and coin and cloud good relations. In the interest of avoiding the necessity of bloodshed, we will offer to pay into the Spanish treasury f2400 in state funds, divided into 6 quarterly installments, in payment if they immediately cease combat, withdraw, and make peace before we must forge casus belli to declare war.

Even prior to the latest disclosures of Spanish intentions against South America, we consulted with our allies regarding this grave situation. As the alliance is intended for defense, we have not asked them to intervene overseas and provide that alliances may be cancelled to avoid becoming enmeshed in war overseas. Declarations of war are expected against Brazil by Germany in the vigorous exercise of its global pax Germanica philosophy and from the Italians, who have recently been unwilling to waste casus belli.

We invite and encourage other powers, whether or not presently engaged in conflict, to support this effort.


Is sad to see a free nation like Brazil supporting an imperialist intervention of the British government to control the diplomacy of Spain.

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Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:04 pm

lukasberger wrote:The OE is sad to hear of the stand taken by it's friend and long time trading partner Brazil (and Chile and Argentina?). While we respect the rights of the nations of South America to make their own choices in this matter, we cannot support them in any way as they do so. So if the South American nations enter this war arrayed against Germany, the OE will be forced to end its considerable purchases from them for the duration of the conflict.


OOC: Lukas, the language you quoted is from the General thread, where we speak about the game situation as players, not the Diplomacy thread, speaking as Brazil, and posting it here with an in-character response from the OE is liable to make people think that the original quote is from Brazil or is in character in some way. Better in this thread to quote the IC statement from Brazil.

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Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:10 pm

Sir Garnet wrote:OOC: Lukas, the language you quoted is from the General thread, where we speak about the game situation as players, not the Diplomacy thread, speaking as Brazil, and posting it here with an in-character response from the OE is liable to make people think that the original quote is from Brazil or is in character in some way. Better in this thread to quote the IC statement from Brazil.


I'm an idiot, can't imagine how I got the quote from the OOC thread into my reply in this thread. Too many windows open at once I guess. Sorry about that.

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Southampton, United Kingdom, November 1873

INTEREST OVER NEW BRITISH VENTURE CALLED "CABLE & WIRELESS"

The war may be waging in Europe, but progress cannot stop. Japanese business ambassadors have been dispatched to Southampton to have a first close look at the wonders of electrification in this country. Although the new electrical factory is still under construction, it is rumored that its orders are already full and its blueprints already copied by the other great nations that do not want to fall behind in the technological race!

In game terms: Wondering if even before you get your factory up and running you will be able to produce some "craftsmen" electrical parts, Jim-NC! Btw, if I understood correctly how technological monopoly or sharing works, since at the moment only GBR has achieved Electrification the nations that have bad relations with it should suffer a penalty in the R&D for this tech, while those that with good relations will receive a bonus. It's a good day to be GBR's friend. :D
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Kensai wrote:In game terms: Wondering if even before you get your factory up and running you will be able to produce some "craftsmen" electrical parts, Jim-NC! Btw, if I understood correctly how technological monopoly or sharing works, since at the moment only GBR has achieved Electrification the nations that have bad relations with it should suffer a penalty in the R&D for this tech, while those that with good relations will receive a bonus. It's a good day to be GBR's friend. :D


OOC - The USA also has Electrification, I forget how long it has been since it was researched. Perhaps a few turns? I honestly had no idea it meant I could build an electrical factory though :D Does the amount of craftsman correspond to a nation's population? Another question, do conscripts/national market correspond to a nation's population? I only ask because by now in history the USA should be third in overall population (behind China and Russia, and only counting Britain as the population of the British Isles, which for some reason every chart I find does), by 1890 (the oldest year I could find good information) the USA should be number one in total urbanized population, and number two in percentage of population urbanized (this one is loaded, because again, only the British Isles are counted for Britain for some reason, so obviously they would have to highest percent of urbanization). However, in the game, I'm not seeing the increase in my domestic consumption that I feel I should be seeing, even though I see the events that say "'X' number of immigrants settled in the USA this year!" and I play all of my roads/telecoms improvements as I can get them. I could simply be paranoid, because there is no way to tell overall population. :) I should probably start writing down the population figures in the F6 screen every year and chart them.

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Yes, noticed after a while that three nations (USA, GBR, GER) have the max 472 score in Technology (F10), so I presume all three have all current techs researched. Well, it still applies to all the rest who have not yet researched the tech.
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1. I try to impose general conscription the last 2 turns and nothing happened, I do not see any message of his rejection could be a problem with the script?

2. Jim do you have the same problem in the past?

Edit sorry wrong thread reply me in the other thread.

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Ojodeaguila wrote:1. I try to impose general conscription the last 2 turns and nothing happened, I do not see any message of his rejection could be a problem with the script?

2. Jim do you have the same problem in the past?

Edit sorry wrong thread reply me in the other thread.


China has had similar issues......running some of the special cards and nothing happening....I just quit saying anything and quit playing them. The ones I played and they didn't work.....and no notice of not working: New Medal from F3 screen for sure and perhaps another one from F4 screen.

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Reports from the front

Russian forces engage Austrian armies in Krakau...

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...and in Debrecen.

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### Corriere della Sera Nov. 1873 ###

Over the last weeks, long and hefty debates have taken place in the Italian parliament regarding the stance of Italy in the recent war. One party, we call them the hawks, is strongly in favour of committing the Italian resources to the quest of Irredenta - that is, as our readers will surely know - the reconquest of our homeland currently occupied by the troops of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the French Empire and the enigmatic Greeks. However, there are other parties inside the parliament as well, and they are quite vocal about their ideas and opinions.
One group steadily reminds both our politicians and our public about our long-living and fruitful alliance with France. While it is most unfortunate that they choose to declare war on Germany, the make a strong point in stating that the recent declarations of war by Spain and Belgium requires Italy to step in for the defense of France. Furthermore, they also note the backstabbing by Spain, which has angered quite a lot of the influential leaders in our country. According to our information, especially the treachery by Spain has reinforced the position of this party. On top of it, there are even more smaller splinter factions inside the parliament, many of whom support a radical neutralist agenda.

In view of this complex political climate, the recent actions of the Italian foreign ministry might be more understandable. After a fierce debate, it was decided to issue a declaration of war against Belgium, to honour our alliance agreements with France. While Spain has chosen the path of treachery, Italy will remain honourable and chivalrous. Furthermore, the latest news say that the foreign ministry has also instructed its delegation in Madrid to inform the Spanish government that Italy not longer considers Spain to be a part of the League of Free Nations. Rumours say that with Austria in turmoil, some more aggressive generals are openly lobbying for a official declaration of war against Austria, too. It is even said that large parts of the Italian border forces are mobilized to this end at this very moment.

Here is the latest press release by the Foreign ministry of Italy:

Hereby, the King of Italy declares that war has been declared against Belgium. His Majesty also declares that Italy has dissolved its alliance with Spain, and does not consider Spain to be part of the League of Free Nations anymore. We demand Spain to immediately return to peace with France, otherwise we will use all means necessary to force Spain to leave French soil and territory. At request of the Empire of France, observation missions have been sent into Southern France to monitor the behavior of the Spanish troops.

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Ojodeaguila wrote:The British government can try to mediate in the conflict but this threat will not receive respond.


Our terms are simple, stop your aggression with France at once, and return your armies to Spanish territory, then ask for peace. If you do, we will not declare war. Please note that we do not say you can not attack in the future (say after the war, or even within 2 or 3 months), but we can not agree with how this war was started by your nation. The choice is yours Presidente, stop this war, and have peace, or let the war continue, and expand.

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Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:47 am

When you play a decision but get no message, it means some pre-requisite tested for when the turn runs was not met so it did not even get to the pass/reject stage. Some prerequisites include a random roll. Once the prereq is met, the action will then either pass or fail.

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Reports from the Front

After receiving no reply from the Belgians trapped inside Luxembourg, French troops under Marshals Niel and de Mac-Mahon assaulted the fortifications of the city immediately. Mass chaos ensued in the defending lines due to over-concentrated forces. Deadly effective fire by the French artillery soon caused a rout, and the Belgians surrendered en masse shortly afterward. The Grand Duchy is now in French hands and the Belgian 1st Army no longer exists. We hope the Belgian lives lost today were worth being bought by the Kaiser to King Leopold II. Despite the deplorable actions of the government, Paris does not wish harm upon the Belgian population, and prisoners will be treated kindly.

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In further action, Marshal Bonaparte rapidly responded to a Belgian invasion of Lille. The invaders were pushed back with great loss on the Belgian side.

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On the seas, French naval efforts to rid the coasts of spies continues successfully.

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Unfortunately indeed some national laws/decrees and actions fail quietly, no message reported. Greece has been trying to print money for some time, but cannot and I get no message. Probably because it is low (lower than what needed) in state funds. This is ok and expected, but I wish there was a message. I don't know if there is something wrong with the other actions, I can assure you at least in my machine all extra custom files are in when crunched the turn.

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OOC comment: I am at awe at what France manages to achieve when it clenches its fists... good work there Vezina, really nice audacious playing! ;)
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Spanish Conditions to leave the war:

1. Italy, the British Empire and the Empire of Brazil will not declare the war to Germany until the Fraco-German war is ended.

2. USA leave the war with Spain.


Edit: Please my troops have orders to continue the war reply me at least 1 hour before the orders limit or give me more time to change if you accept.

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Ech Heftag wrote:### Corriere della Sera Nov. 1873 ###

...the reconquest of our homeland currently occupied by the troops of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the French Empire and the enigmatic Greeks.



Athens, Greece, November 1873

SLANDER BY THE CORRIERE

Greek papers took up the article from a last week's issue of Italian Corriere della Sera. There is nothing enigmatic about Greeks, only the fire burning inside them to manage and unite their country and all ethnic Greeks living currently abroad. Italy, of all nations, should understand the importance of national unity and accept it for other nations as well. Do the Italians remember how they were before Garibaldi? The Italians may consider the Ionian or Dodecanese islands as their own territory due to some historical ties with the medieval and renaissance Italian states, but this is not the case any more. Greece is a sovereign state now and will fight anyone attempting to relegate it again to a colonial backdrop. There are even talks to intensify Greece's involvement in the world's affairs. We are certainly not a big regional power, but we aspire to become one!

from the Greek press


Furthermore, they also note the backstabbing by Spain, which has angered quite a lot of the influential leaders in our country.


OOC: Let alone they kicked out King Amadeo who was a crown prince of Italy! :p
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Ojodeaguila wrote:Spanish Conditions to leave the war:

1. Italy, the British Empire and the Empire of Brazil will not declare the war to Germany until the Fraco-German war is ended.

2. USA leave the war with Spain.

Edit: Please my troops have orders to continue the war reply me at least 1 hour before the orders limit or give me more time to change if you accept.


On behalf of HM Government, Britain agrees to not attack Spain in return for Spain sending a white peace to France this turn. We hope that Italy, Brazil and the United States will also accept the Spanish offer.

We hereby pledge that we, unlike the Germans, will not be so careless about our NAP with them, and as part of the deal for Spain's neutrality, will not declare war on Germany while the current war with France is happening, as long as Spain agrees, and stops fighting.

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Kensai wrote:Athens, Greece, November 1873

SLANDER BY THE CORRIERE

Greek papers took up the article from a last week's issue of Italian Corriere della Sera. There is nothing enigmatic about Greeks, only the fire burning inside them to manage and unite their country and all ethnic Greeks living currently abroad. Italy, of all nations, should understand the importance of national unity and accept it for other nations as well. Do the Italians remember how they were before Garibaldi? The Italians may consider the Ionian or Dodecanese islands as their own territory due to some historical ties with the medieval and renaissance Italian states, but this is not the case any more. Greece is a sovereign state now and will fight anyone attempting to relegate it again to a colonial backdrop. There are even talks to intensify Greece's involvement in the world's affairs. We are certainly not a big regional power, but we aspire to become one!

from the Greek press




OOC: Let alone they kicked out King Amadeo who was a crown prince of Italy! :p


The Government of the Republic of Spain want to make an declaration about the resign of the Amadeo I former king of Spain.

He resign for himself in absolutely freedom.

Here is the text of his renounce:

Dos años largos ha que ciño la corona de España, y la España vive en constante lucha, viendo cada día más lejana la era de paz y de ventura que tan ardientemente anhelo. Si fueran extranjeros los enemigos de su dicha, entonces, al frente de estos soldados tan valientes como sufridos, sería el primero en combatirlos; pero todos los que con la espada, con la pluma, con la palabra agravan y perpetúan los males de la nación son españoles; todos invocan el dulce nombre de la patria; todos pelean y se agitan por su bien, y entre el fragor del combate, entre el confuso, atronador y contradictorio clamor de los partidos, entre tantas y tan opuestas manifestaciones de la opinión pública, es imposible afirmar cuál es la verdadera, y más imposible todavía hallar remedio para tamaños males. Los he buscado ávidamente dentro de la ley y no los he hallado. Fuera de la ley no ha de buscarlo quien ha prometido observarla.

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IMPÉRIO DO BRASIL

Acceptance of Spanish Proposal

Upon confirmation by the Spanish government of our understanding that (1) Spain will leave the war by immediately ceasing fire and withdrawal, including abandoning all sieges by taking a passive posture or plotting orders to leave such region, (2) offering white peaces with all belligerents, and (3) not re-entering the war by declaring war on any belligerent in the war (the war ending when the French and Germans conclude peace), the Empire of Brazil is pleased to agree to withdraw its prior requests and its forces and agrees for the duration of the war agrees not to declare war on the German Empire - with an exception solely in order to honor our defense treaties with the Argentine Republic, Republic of Chile, United States of Mexico, or Kingdom of Portugal in the highly unlikely event that Germany came to war on any of those countries.

We hope for prompt confirmation from Madrid and acceptance of such terms by the Kingdom of Italy as well.

By Order of His Imperial Majesty Dom Pedro II, Constitutional Emperor and Perpetual Defender of Brazil.

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Sir Garnet wrote: IMPÉRIO DO BRASIL

Acceptance of Spanish Proposal

Upon confirmation by the Spanish government of our understanding that (1) Spain will leave the war by immediately ceasing fire and withdrawal, including abandoning all sieges by taking a passive posture or plotting orders to leave such region, (2) offering white peaces with all belligerents, and (3) not re-entering the war by declaring war on any belligerent in the war (the war ending when the French and Germans conclude peace), the Empire of Brazil is pleased to agree to withdraw its prior requests and its forces and agrees for the duration of the war agrees not to declare war on the German Empire - with an exception solely in order to honor our defense treaties with the Argentine Republic, Republic of Chile, United States of Mexico, or Kingdom of Portugal in the highly unlikely event that Germany came to war on any of those countries.

We hope for prompt confirmation from Madrid and acceptance of such terms by the Kingdom of Italy as well.

By Order of His Imperial Majesty Dom Pedro II, Constitutional Emperor and Perpetual Defender of Brazil.

Sir Garnet Francis
Ministério das Relações Exteriores, Império do Brasil


Of course I accept your exceptions, If Germany attack a nation in defensive agreement with you before this peace you can join the war but not if you sign a new agreement during the war.

The government of Spain await to the position of USA and Italy if I no receive reply my troops will maintain his positions and sieges but will no advance meanwhile the peace conversations continue.

We do not have problems if UK, Brazil or Italy DOW Spain during the conversations of peace meanwhile they no advance or attack any Spanish position.

We hope a fast reply from USA and Italy to end this war, if Spain receive the agreement of USA and Italy our troops will leave his positions, will begin and ordered retreat to Barcelona and we will send diplomats to USA and France with our peace deal.

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Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:20 pm

Ojodeaguila wrote:Spanish Conditions to leave the war:

1. Italy, the British Empire and the Empire of Brazil will not declare the war to Germany until the Fraco-German war is ended.

2. USA leave the war with Spain.


Edit: Please my troops have orders to continue the war reply me at least 1 hour before the orders limit or give me more time to change if you accept.


Italy has already declared itself neutral in the French-German war and guarantees that it will remain neutral.

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Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:29 pm

Ech Heftag wrote:Here is the latest press release by the Foreign ministry of Italy:

Hereby, the King of Italy declares that war has been declared against Belgium. His Majesty also declares that Italy has dissolved its alliance with Spain, and does not consider Spain to be part of the League of Free Nations anymore. We demand Spain to immediately return to peace with France, otherwise we will use all means necessary to force Spain to leave French soil and territory. At request of the Empire of France, observation missions have been sent into Southern France to monitor the behavior of the Spanish troops.


Ech Heftag wrote:Italy has already declared itself neutral in the French-German war and guarantees that it will remain neutral.


Short comment from the Russian Foreign Office:

"A neutral power in a particular war is a sovereign state which declares itself to be neutral towards the belligerents." Neutral countries, by remaining neutral, do not interfere in any way with ongoing hostilities. Neutral countries, in particular, do not declare war on another country or threaten other countries to act, or to not act, for the benefit of one or another belligerent.

Italy, by acting for the benefit of France, has clearly chosen to work for the success of one side.

To clarify, this is not a problem per se but is very far from being neutral.

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Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:19 pm

Ech Heftag wrote:Italy has already declared itself neutral in the French-German war and guarantees that it will remain neutral.


1. Spain give orders to maintain positions to his armies and cancel new offensive.

2. We await the USA reply to give orders of retreat to our armies.

3. Can France tell us if he is going to accept our peace?

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