I am new to AGEOD-engine games. I absolutely love the challenge from the AI in this game
Question: If I have attach all the leaders in an army to individual units (legions) does this then remove the benefit to all units in the army of having a leader? So would you never actually attach a great commander (like Sulla, Caesar or Sertorius) directly to a unit?
I have been attaching every commander to a legion and not leaving any unattached...I can't tell if it makes a difference or not (no change to overall army strength/power score)
Please help to clarify this
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The commander provides his benefits to the whole army he commands. Other generals provide Command Points to the army up to the cap and provide any benefits that apply to the stack even if they re not in command (their descriptions should be clear). Other generals also provide to the unit to which they are attached the benefits of their combat stats and those benefits applicable to units they command (unless it says they only apply if they are CIC or in command of the force). Juniro Subordinate generals provide CPs to the army. This can be a significant benefit in combat performance. Romans will usually attach generals to legions, others to their best troops.
I don't know or don't recall if it was mentioned whether risk of loss is at all increased by attachment rather than being loose among the other units. I believe it does not.
I don't know or don't recall if it was mentioned whether risk of loss is at all increased by attachment rather than being loose among the other units. I believe it does not.
The stack receives the bonus of the leader of the army, provided he is not attached to any unit. The bonus in AJE is about 10% per level of offensive / defensive.
In addition, each leader attached to a unit gives 10% bonus by level (5% starting next patch) to each element of the unit it is attached to.
Then you have the traits, but Sir Garnet covered those.
In addition, each leader attached to a unit gives 10% bonus by level (5% starting next patch) to each element of the unit it is attached to.
Then you have the traits, but Sir Garnet covered those.
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Narwhal wrote:The stack receives the bonus of the leader of the army, provided he is not attached to any unit. The bonus in AJE is about 10% per level of offensive / defensive.
In addition, each leader attached to a unit gives 10% bonus by level (5% starting next patch) to each element of the unit it is attached to.
Then you have the traits, but Sir Garnet covered those.
the only thing to add, its worth to open the details panel for the leader and to check the traits. they became that many, that you need to use summary-traits to describe them aside of leaders picture, it can happen that you miss information.
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however, prone to throw them into disarray.
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‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
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yellow ribbon wrote:the only thing to add, its worth to open the details panel for the leader and to check the traits. they became that many, that you need to use summary-traits to describe them aside of leaders picture, it can happen that you miss information.
Quite important as different from other AGEOD games, so I want to be clear about what you mean. If the commander in a battle is attached to a unit, his stats and his abilities do NOT affect any units in the battle but his own? Meaning if there is a force consisting of a senior commander attached to a legion in a region and also a force with a junior leader and several units but not attached, there is no overall leader effect?
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Putting the question another way: Since legions are 3 CP and auxiliaries 1 CP, I usually like to combine the two as an independent task force under a one-star general for 4 CP exactly. Now, in this case it would be better NOT to attach the leader to the legion, so the one-star can give his stat benefits to the auxiliary as well ... correct?
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jimwinsor2 wrote:Putting the question another way: Since legions are 3 CP and auxiliaries 1 CP, I usually like to combine the two as an independent task force under a one-star general for 4 CP exactly. Now, in this case it would be better NOT to attach the leader to the legion, so the one-star can give his stat benefits to the auxiliary as well ... correct?
for single 1* commander plus legion and Aux it doesnt matter regarding command point penalty. as you say both combinations are. yet you can improve the combat pattern if you merge the legion with the commander.
only if there would be any ability with the text, that it applies only to the UNIT THAT THIS ELEMENT IS IN, then i suppose it would be waste of the ability, for no unit is merged with the leader
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however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
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poweraxe wrote:On the subject of attaching commanders to units; I noticed that with Pontus the stats of the generals seem to go down when I attach them to a unit (and both are of the PON faction, i checked) while the same doesnt happen when I attach for a example a hellenistic unit. Is this a bug, or WAD?
there are nationality rules, you might have run into it. there were already two of the commanders seen as Pontians (background color), but indeed Scythians if i recall right
there are rules for troops fighting in home regions (where you can build them) either. so the loss for commanders with no ability of multinational-commanding might indeed happen.
it would be on my wish list to have factions like Pompey, Lagides and Pontians with ability to command multinational troops without any problem / or an option to deactivate this
...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
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Narwhal wrote:The stack receives the bonus of the leader of the army, provided he is not attached to any unit. The bonus in AJE is about 10% per level of offensive / defensive.....Then you have the traits, but Sir Garnet covered those.
Rephrasing the question.
Narwhal (or Yellow Ribbon), does this really mean that a force commander (or the commander of a battle) attached to a unit simply loses all benefits of providing his stats or abilities to all units other than the one attached other than abilities which benefit a leader's force even if not its commander? (Unlike, I think, other AGEOD games)
Meaning it is a bad idea to attach to a unit any more senior generals as they are likely to be the one in charge of any battle in their region?
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Hi M.,
i saw your first question about the stats, but i prefer that this is clarified from the officials...
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A leader attached directly to an unit will provide additional combat prowess plus can have some abilities that will activate, only for his unit. He can't command the whole stack though, i.e he won't provide combat bonus in this case. [/color]
Hofstadter's Law: "It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's law."
i saw your first question about the stats, but i prefer that this is clarified from the officials...
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A leader attached directly to an unit will provide additional combat prowess plus can have some abilities that will activate, only for his unit. He can't command the whole stack though, i.e he won't provide combat bonus in this case. [/color]
Hofstadter's Law: "It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's law."
...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
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Henri wrote:How do you attach a commander to a legion? I have read the manual twice and cannot find how to do that.
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...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
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Thanks for that info.
So based on the post quote from Pocus, if Pompey is attached to that legion, his benefits accrue to that legion but he is a 0-0 so far as any other friendlies in the vicinity are concerned. So very unlike PON or RUS.
Definitely an important point to highlight for players and goes beyong single force composition since more than one force can be in a battle, and there is also loss of CIC Theater benefits.
So based on the post quote from Pocus, if Pompey is attached to that legion, his benefits accrue to that legion but he is a 0-0 so far as any other friendlies in the vicinity are concerned. So very unlike PON or RUS.
Definitely an important point to highlight for players and goes beyong single force composition since more than one force can be in a battle, and there is also loss of CIC Theater benefits.
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vonRocko wrote:Hmnn... I've been playing (and winning) all this time without ever knowing that.
I will quote you when the next people complain that the game is too hard...
...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
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