Splitting up divisions

[Heldenkaiser]

Another question ... when I reorganized the Army of the Tennessee in the Shiloh scenario into corps, I used McClernand and Wallace as corps commanders. To do that, I had to split up their divisions, however, in the case of McClernand that didn't work completely, i.e. he and 2-3 units remained together even though the bulk of the combat arms were split off. I shuffled around some more units in other divisions and finally I got the remaining units to split off from McClernand and I could promote him. Is this intended this way? Is there some sort of "maximum number of units per stack" that causes this? Thanks.

Oh, and one other question, if I may. A division with leader gives completely different information when hovering the mouse over it then one without leader. In the former case, one gets info about the leader, not the division. Is this intended?

[Pocus]

the Shiloh scenario has some odd things in the setup, I believe the latest version is cleaner. But you are right, there are some cases, particularly after some combats, that can lead to have left over sub-units in a division. There is something in the making to finish this kind of splitting in the next patch (within one week anyway).

(2) I will check that thanks. No biggy?

[Heldenkaiser]

(2) I will check that thanks. No biggy?

Of course not. Just something I noticed and was wondering about.

[Charleson]

I have a similar question that's probably not worth starting a whole new thread regarding the Shiloh scenario. So I'll tack in on here and hope someone has pity on me.

For the Union, breaking up McClernard's and L. Wallace's divisions to use the two gentlemen as corp commanders is standard practice. This I can do without a problem.

My question is what to do with their previous divisions. It's easy to reform them but there's not enough generals to go around in Shiloh and that leaves them leaderless. No command penalty there, but the manual states there are some combat penalties for leaderless divisions.

I haven't quite been able to parcel out all the elements of these divisions to other units successfully. Is there an easier way to add a brigade to a division rather than splitting up and reforming the target division?

Thanks!

[Heldenkaiser]

My question is what to do with their previous divisions. It's easy to reform them but there's not enough generals to go around in Shiloh and that leaves them leaderless. No command penalty there, but the manual states there are some combat penalties for leaderless divisions.

I believe it comes down to: what is a better use of your limited supply of leaders - having a corps/division structure, or all divisions commanded. I believe for obvious reasons (modifiers handed down and all that), it's the corps/divisions structure.

I haven't quite been able to parcel out all the elements of these divisions to other units successfully. Is there an easier way to add a brigade to a division rather than splitting up and reforming the target division?

I believe there is. If the brigade (or other unit) and the division are in the same stack (if one isn't, drag it there first), I seem to recall (hope I didn't dream this) that you can simply select both, and then hit the button that forms a division or adds to it (the one with the "plus" sign). Then the single unit becomes part of the division.

[Rafiki]

I believe it comes down to: what is a better use of your limited supply of leaders - having a corps/division structure, or all divisions commanded. I believe for obvious reasons (modifiers handed down and all that), it's the corps/divisions structure.

I think so too.

(Note that in the grand campaign, the access to one stars seems to be sufficient for divisional command purposes, at least speaking for the Union in the early stages of the war)

I believe there is. If the brigade (or other unit) and the division are in the same stack (if one isn't, drag it there first), I seem to recall (hope I didn't dream this) that you can simply select both, and then hit the button that forms a division or adds to it (the one with the "plus" sign). Then the single unit becomes part of the division.

I can confirm that Heldenkaiser isn't dreaming

[Charleson]

Thanks Heldenkaiser and Rafiki,

I had a hunch I was making things are than they needed to be with transferring units between divisions.

[Pocus]

I have a similar question that's probably not worth starting a whole new thread regarding the Shiloh scenario. So I'll tack in on here and hope someone has pity on me.

For the Union, breaking up McClernard's and L. Wallace's divisions to use the two gentlemen as corp commanders is standard practice. This I can do without a problem.

My question is what to do with their previous divisions. It's easy to reform them but there's not enough generals to go around in Shiloh and that leaves them leaderless. No command penalty there, but the manual states there are some combat penalties for leaderless divisions.

I haven't quite been able to parcel out all the elements of these divisions to other units successfully. Is there an easier way to add a brigade to a division rather than splitting up and reforming the target division?

Thanks!

not for now. When time allows we will have some variations to the split order: detach the leader, and detach the last unit.

Also notice that in a future update (very soon) the divisions unable to split completely problem will be solved, we are working on it.

[FlyingElvis]

I have a related question so I will stick it in this thread.

After doing the tutorials and reading the manual a couple of times, I get the concept behind the army/corp/division organization. However, I am not exactly sure what I should be doing with a corp once the stack reaches the maximum number of command points the leaders provide. Is it best to then add any leftover units into a leaderless division stack or better to allow the corp stack to grow furthur and ignore the command penalty (indicated by the percentage next to the envelope)?

[Rafiki]

If you keep the leftovers with the corps, the entire corps will suffer the effects of the command penalty inflicted by the leftovers. If you keep the leftovers for themselves, command penalty will still be the same for the leftovers, but the corps itself won't suffer any penalty.

I.e. keep the leftovers for themselves; I can't see anything that might make it worth the extra penalties suffered by putting them with the corps

[FlyingElvis]

Thanks Rafiki. That makes sense.