List of Roman Civil war scenarios not in the game. (Yet)

[wijse]

Heres a reference list for possible future civil war scenarios not in the game yet. Feel free to mention if anything is not covered.

Republic

• Social War 91-88 bc (Medium Campaign)
• Catiline Conspiracy (63–62 BC) (short campaign)
• Final War of the Roman Republic (32–30 BC) (Short campaign) between Octavian and Marc Anthony.

Middle Empire

• Year of the Six Emperors (238 AD) (Maximinus Thrax fighting off Gordian I and II and then suddenly three more usurpers spring up, Pupienus and Balbinus and Gordian III) (Short Campaign)
• Roman civil war of 284–285 AD between Diocletian and Carinus (Short Campaign)

Late Empire

• Civil wars of the Tetrarchy (306–324) (Awesome Long Campaign)
• Roman civil war of 350–351 AD, between Constantius II and Magnentius (Short campaign)
• Roman civil war of 360–361 AD, between Constantius II and Julian the Apostate (Short campaign
• Roman civil war of 387–388 AD, between Theodosius I and Magnus Maximus (Short campaign)
• Roman civil war of 394 AD, between Theodosius I and Arbogast (Short campaign)

[DaiMonPaul]

I know the game is subtitled "Roman Civil Wars," but does it have to be limited to civil wars? Might we see a scenario or two on the Punic Wars?

[dpt24]

Not sure Catiline's would be worth the effort or make much of a game. I'd like to see Anthony and Octavian's war, the problem is if you look at the history it's actually really spread out. They fought each other for a little while, made peace and took out Brutus (RE: the famous play about Caesar), built up military, spent a while, and finally went to war with the battle of Actium being the main battle of that war. Cleopatra and Anthony's army pretty much fell apart when Octavian showed up on their doorstep. I'd like to see some of the Barbarian invasions in the future as well as Ceasar's Wars in Gaul. Those are the two I want the most.

[wijse]

Not sure Catiline's would be worth the effort or make much of a game. I'd like to see Anthony and Octavian's war, the problem is if you look at the history it's actually really spread out. They fought each other for a little while, made peace and took out Brutus (RE: the famous play about Caesar), built up military, spent a while, and finally went to war with the battle of Actium being the main battle of that war. Cleopatra and Anthony's army pretty much fell apart when Octavian showed up on their doorstep. I'd like to see some of the Barbarian invasions in the future as well as Ceasar's Wars in Gaul. Those are the two I want the most.

The civil war you are talking about is called the "Final War of the Roman Republic (32–30 BC)" between Octavian and Marc Anthony. Indeed there were only one decisive battle and that was Actium. This would ofcourse be a 24-36 turn campaign.

Catiline's conspiracy also only had one decisive battle and that was the Battle of Pistoria, Catiline had two legions against a couple of the republic legions, this would be a interesting and difficult short scenario, where you have to try to out maneuver your opponent.

[wijse]

I know the game is subtitled "Roman Civil Wars," but does it have to be limited to civil wars? Might we see a scenario or two on the Punic Wars?

If you look at the AJE game folders, there are already Carthaginian unit graphics and Roman Manipular legion unit graphics. The difficult part is the scripting and writing the scenario, which can take some time.

[James D Burns]

The civil war you are talking about is called the "Final War of the Roman Republic (32–30 BC)" between Octavian and Marc Anthony. Indeed there were only one decisive battle and that was Actium. This would ofcourse be a 24-36 turn campaign.

Catiline's conspiracy also only had one decisive battle and that was the Battle of Pistoria, Catiline had two legions against a couple of the republic legions, this would be a interesting and difficult short scenario, where you have to try to out maneuver your opponent.

The campaigns wouldn’t necessarily need to be short, as you may or may not end up fighting the same kind of decisive single battle as was fought historically. In fact limiting the campaigns to a timetable that anticipates or demands that the same level of victory be achieved by players in a very short period of time would be poor scenario design.

You could easily justify another 3-5 years for a full blown Anthony vs. Octavian campaign as it will be rare that either the players or the AI throws everything into one big naval clash. And making the campaign a very short affair from a game design standpoint means you wouldn’t be able to achieve victory in just a year or two. So make it a long campaign and let the vagaries of war decide if it ends early or not.

[V for Vegas]

[*]Roman civil war of 360–361 AD, between Constantius II and Julian the Apostate (Short campaign

This would be my pick - it would be great to see what would have happened if Constantius hadn't died early.

[Addams]

I know the game is subtitled "Roman Civil Wars," but does it have to be limited to civil wars? Might we see a scenario or two on the Punic Wars?

Wouldn't mind to see a conquest of Gaul scenario too.

[Stuie]

Please just take the scenario list from Imperium Romanum II and convert the entire thing.

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[pantsukki]

Wouldn't mind to see a conquest of Gaul scenario too.

This. More Caesar!

[wijse]

The civil war scenario in the game between Caesar and Pompey last 121 turns. Yet if we convert the actual historical years it took to end the war to game turns (a turn is a month); 4 years and three months that would be 51 turns. January 49 to March 45.

Has these separate wars been included into Caesars Civil war? Since the scenario takes up 121 turns = 10 years and a month.

Post-Caesarian civil war (44 BC), between the Senate's army (led first by Cicero and then by Octavian) and the army of Antony, Lepidus, and their colleagues - Truce results in union of forces.
Liberators' civil war (44–42 BC), between the Second Triumvirate and the Liberators (Brutus and Cassius, Caesar's assassins) - Triumvirate victory.

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What are the deciding factors for many turns a scenario takes? Philthib? Pocus? or another person from the AJE team?

[marechalCAMBRONNE]

I really want to see a Antony versus Octavius game. BUt I agree with what I read before: it doesn't need to be a short campain. Without that big clash at actium, the war would have dragged on as the 2 side were immensly powerful

[Laruku]

Please just take the scenario list from Imperium Romanum II and convert the entire thing.

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Who made that game? The scenarios are named the same!

[James D Burns]

It was published by West End Games in 1985, I still have my old copy. It was one of my all time favorite board games. For years I have wished for a PC game that gave this period the same treatment, THANK YOU AGEOD!

Here’s the Boardgamegeek page for the game:

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1496/imperium-romanum-ii

[Agesilaus]

Less Romans, more Greeks, thank you.

[Addams]

Less Romans, more Greeks, thank you.

I can surely understand such a wish but in the same time we have to keep in mind what this game is about.

Rome clearly, civil wars more exactly even if we all hope for some Punic and Gaul sweetness but yeah, Rome.

But who knows how the game is going to evolve after all ? Maybe one day.

[Mitra]

Social War 91-88 bc; it enter in the Appianus book on Civil Wars

[Fouche]

Well..well...well..an oldie. I had played the game Imperium Romanum II with a good friend of mine....who is on this forum, Remise is his forum name (although currently he is having issues in getting into his forum account...he as well as I have sent in emails about this issue to AGEOD yesterday)...and BTW he was a member of the team that developed that game and scenarios for West End Games.

[Fouche]

I just emailed to him that the game Imperium Romanum II was being discussed and he sent back the following...'There were a lot of things that needed fixing. For example, in one scenario, a side that began on an island was the only one allowed to have ships, so there was no way they could ever lose, as nobody could attack them....' That is amusing...

[Laruku]

Less Romans, more Greeks, thank you.

What about a colonization game? Greeks and Phoenicians struggling for trade control in the Mediterranean. Mixed with the warfare it might be a fine game.

[Cetus]

800. Imagine: Valens's 378 Adrianople disaster, the rise of the merovingean Franks, the conquests of Justinian the Great and his generals Belisarius and Narses. These historical periods have been largely neglected by the gaming community as they are considered an uninteresting era of 'barbarian invasions'. But read JB Bury's Cambridge Medieval History (very cheap edition available / downloadable!) or Adrian Goldsworthy's wonderful 'The fall of the west. The slow death of Roman superpower'.
It can be argued that Roman decline was primarily due to a continuous state of civil war, interupted by some periods of stability, e.g. Diocletian. Thus, these centuries offer what AJE pretends to portray: Roman civil wars!
And from a business point of view: many new scenarios / DLC for a few bucks per download should generate a nice cashflow

[Cetus]

IMHO the unexplored territory with huge potential covers 200 AD and beyond, until about 800: the late Empire and the decline of its western part, as well as the revitalizing eastern empire, until about 800. Imagine: Valens's 378 Adrianople disaster, the rise of the merovingean Franks, the conquests of Justinian the Great and his generals Belisarius and Narses. These historical periods have been largely neglected by the gaming community as they are considered an uninteresting era of 'barbarian invasions'. But read JB Bury's Cambridge Medieval History (very cheap edition available / downloadable!) or Adrian Goldsworthy's wonderful 'The fall of the west. The slow death of Roman superpower'.
It can be argued that Roman decline was primarily due to a continuous state of civil war, interupted by some periods of stability, e.g. Diocletian. Thus, these centuries offer what AJE pretends to portray: Roman civil wars!
And from a business point of view: many new scenarios / DLC for a few bucks per download should generate a nice cashflow

[Ech Heftag]

A scenario covering Octavian's wars in Magna Germania would be very interesting for me.

[Le Ricain]

It is absolutely essential that Caesar's Gallic Wars are included in future scenarios. Why? My face is to be used for Vercingetorix's uncle's leader pic. I woulld hate to have Pangi's excellent work wasted.

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[Gen. Monkey-Bear]

How about some barbarian wars? Maybe as stated above some more focus on the later periods of Empire.

[Vadim]

Hello AGEOD, hello fellow wargamers !


My first post ever , so got to be short : I love this game and keep the good work ! Not my first AGEOD one and certainly won t be the last
And can t wait the Birth of Rome with the Punic wars !! Also this game has everything to put Diadoques wars in display, and Alexander as well. Actually AJE is the perfect sandbox for any Ancient war, just matter of time and scriptting - my dream would be Peloponnese war but that s another topic. Also, the Fall of Rome is a must as Rome-related DLC. Anyway, thank you for crafting the videogame i was wainting since i got my gameboy( first model, not the fancy colorful one) back in the days. Anyway, thumb up for AGEOD !

[koningtiger]

I would like this two were added:

Republic

-Social War 91-88 bc
-Final War of the Roman Republic (32–30 BC) between Octavian and Marc Anthony.

But would be a lot better to add Liberators War (vs the assasins of Caesar), some fighting in the east vs Armenians and Parts, and the "Hunt of the Pirate" Sextus Pompeius to the second campaign.

[MarsRobert]

Please just take the scenario list from Imperium Romanum II and convert the entire thing.

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I second that motion. This is one of the best board games ever made.

BTW, if I had to pick one scenario or group of scenarios, I would want to see The Crises of the Third Century and the Imperial Restoration. I want Aurelian, I want Claudius Gothicus, and I want Zenobia! In fact, in playing the restoration scenario I took Zenobia all the way to Ctesiphon to wreck some payback on the Persians for what they did to Valerian. Alas, after defeating Tetricus in Gaul, Claudius and Aurelian made short work of Zenobia.

[PhilThib]

Someone is already working on an Aurelian scenario

[koningtiger]

Is that part of a DLC or a free to all included in a patch? You know, the pretorian guard should be well paid if you want to wear that crown of yours some time more...