I too would like to know about the game, how well it plays, is it fun, do you loose track of time playing it and discover to your horror that it is 3 am and you have to go to work tomorrow...
You get the gist.
Somehow this turned into a debate about DRM schemes and other such things which I understand people have very strong opinions about and for which I lack an informed opinion or much interest.
That being said, I would very much like to hear a bit more from the people playing SOWGB and what they like or don't like about the game.
Regards,
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"Now, back to Rome for a quick wedding - and some slow executions!"- Miles Gloriosus
Omnius wrote:Hohenloe,
As the saying goes good things come to people who wait. I have found that being in a rush to be the first kid on the block owning any computer wargame is a fool's errand. I always wait around two years after a game is released before buying so that I avoid all the bugs that cause frustration. If I have to wait a few years for AACW2 then that's what I'll do. I liked the AACW demo but when I saw how nicely amphibious landings are handled in BoA2 I decided to pass it up and wait for AACW2.
As for my local sports news the Los Angeles Lakers have flipped the switch and now they're playing like it's playoff time. Can't wait for June as the Repeat World Champion Lakers will Threepeat and Kobe Bryant wins the NBA Finals MVP for the third year in a row!
I'm into the girl's soccer scene in Georgia as my youngest Granddaughter is an up and coming soccer star goalie there. Her school won the county championship last year and next year she heads to high school.
Thanks for your kindly words, dear Omnius...
I am for myself are a very great admirer of the german women soccer scene, because there is no big money in the scene around and most of the soccer teams had not the usual problem with socalled primadonnas in a team like the big male teams like the FC Bavaria got. Its simple...get a dozen "superstars" or "stars" together in a big team and you will get big trouble because everyone of them want to play the major role in the team and sometimes a trainer is not able to form a good team from these people and therefore the team will often loose important plays due to a low morale and discipline...
With the girls and women in the soccer scene that had not happened sofar I know and these women play a very fresh and funny game at the court.
Simply look some plays in the women world soccer championship and you will be enlightened. For your granddaughter I hope for you that this young girl will be one day the US national team goalie in a women world soccer championship and then you will enjoy this very much...I will hold up my thumbs for that...
heartful greetings
Hohenlohe
R.I.P. Henry D.
In Remembrance of my Granduncle Hans Weber, a Hungaro-German Soldier,served in Austro-Hungarian Forces during WWI,war prisoner, missed in Sibiria 1918...
In Remembrance of my Granduncle Hans Weber, a Hungaro-German Soldier,served in Austro-Hungarian Forces during WWI,war prisoner, missed in Sibiria 1918...
gchristie wrote:I too would like to know about the game, how well it plays, is it fun, do you loose track of time playing it and discover to your horror that it is 3 am and you have to go to work tomorrow...
You get the gist.
Somehow this turned into a debate about DRM schemes and other such things which I understand people have very strong opinions about and for which I lack an informed opinion or much interest.
That being said, I would very much like to hear a bit more from the people playing SOWGB and what they like or don't like about the game.
Regards,
See for yourself my friend..
You can download the demo from the site. It includes a couple tutorials and an MP scenario.
While I am not as fanatic about graphics as some I do require something more up to date looking.
This engine was already old with TC2M, now it looks ancient. They will have to ask Sid Meier to do a new engine
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Which makes the DRM question even more silly. "Cool pirating kids" doesn't even look at games like this.
This engine was already old with TC2M, now it looks ancient. They will have to ask Sid Meier to do a new engine
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Which makes the DRM question even more silly. "Cool pirating kids" doesn't even look at games like this.
marcusjm wrote:This engine was already old with TC2M, now it looks ancient.
Which makes the DRM question even more silly. "Cool pirating kids" doesn't even look at games like this.
Yes, that's what I thought. DRM is already (for) idiot, here for this game it is nonsens.
It will be few pirated for its graphics, and few bought for its drm.
Well everyone has a right to their opinion but I don't even have to tell you how much I disagree with your statements. All you have to do is read all of the reviews praising the game as well as all of the comments from satisfied players on the forum. Many think it's the greatest civil war game ever created (myself included). It's cool if you don't like the game, but bashing it before you've even played it is a little short sighted in my opinion.
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jennison wrote:Well everyone has a right to their opinion but I don't even have to tell you how much I disagree with your statements. All you have to do is read all of the reviews praising the game as well as all of the comments from satisfied players on the forum. Many think it's the greatest civil war game ever created (myself included). It's cool if you don't like the game, but bashing it before you've even played it is a little short sighted in my opinion.
I am 100% with you, jennison. IMHO, AACW and Scourge of War are the best ACW games ever.
But apparently we have here people that "worry about things"
(sorry, I could not resist, as I am about to leave and watch the great Roger Waters in The Wall Live tonight
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"For us the most important thing is to be visual, and for the cats watching us to have fun. This is all we want. We get very upset if people get bored when we're only half way through smashing the second set. Then all of a sudden they hear Arnold Layne and they flip all over again."
~ Roger Waters
Have fun, Franciscus
~ Roger Waters
Have fun, Franciscus
"Now, back to Rome for a quick wedding - and some slow executions!"- Miles Gloriosus
Well I'm playing SOWGB and having fun with it. The price is now $30 by the way. This game wasn't so great when it came out a year ago, with bugs, instability, price, and no MP mods. Now, the bugs are almost all gone, stability in multiplayer is very good, the prices is down, and we've got mods. Plus more people play it now than back then.
It's obviously a different genre to AGEOD, and it is the best game in the genre that I've played. Anyone know a better?
The scale, and the tactics are where it shines. I only play multiplayer, and the multiplayer is really good, and does lend itself to realistic tactics -- also we use a multiplayer mod so we adjust gameplay to force us into more realistic/fun play style.
You can check out our multiplayer site here.
Also there's a multiplayer strategic campaign engine in the works, which has battles fought in SOW (it's in the works though we did play it already, just is not done being improved).
To address some concerns I saw in this thread:
DRM: I don't care for the DRM in theory, but I activated the game once without problems and have played since without any trouble.
Artillery: The artillery was pretty lame on release, it was devastating with canister and useless at all else. Now, they've redesigned it to take concentrated targets into effect (after this was requested by the MP community) and it works really well, and quite deadly. In some extreme cases against massed targets it can be decisive.
It's obviously a different genre to AGEOD, and it is the best game in the genre that I've played. Anyone know a better?
The scale, and the tactics are where it shines. I only play multiplayer, and the multiplayer is really good, and does lend itself to realistic tactics -- also we use a multiplayer mod so we adjust gameplay to force us into more realistic/fun play style.
You can check out our multiplayer site here.
Also there's a multiplayer strategic campaign engine in the works, which has battles fought in SOW (it's in the works though we did play it already, just is not done being improved).
To address some concerns I saw in this thread:
DRM: I don't care for the DRM in theory, but I activated the game once without problems and have played since without any trouble.
Artillery: The artillery was pretty lame on release, it was devastating with canister and useless at all else. Now, they've redesigned it to take concentrated targets into effect (after this was requested by the MP community) and it works really well, and quite deadly. In some extreme cases against massed targets it can be decisive.
Good stuff Garnier.. And if you're still on the bubble and want more info on the game, check out this review just posted by Armchair General:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/scourge-of-war-gettysburg-pc-game-review.htm
"High level of historical realism. Units and topography authentically modeled. Multiplayer is smooth and rewarding. Best Civil War game available to date."
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/scourge-of-war-gettysburg-pc-game-review.htm
"High level of historical realism. Units and topography authentically modeled. Multiplayer is smooth and rewarding. Best Civil War game available to date."
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What a surprise this gray's point of view.....you prefer Total war to what is the best historical reconstitution of this battle...no problem...
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The gameplay, being the most realistic in its genre (that I've seen), is its strongest point, as well as the scale. There aren't other games like this where you can have large numbers of players (talking 16+) on battlefields this big. I know technically you can fit lots of troops in total war games, but do you actually play 30 to 50,000 troop multiplayer battles on a regular basis?
True, the interface is different from total war, you tell the troops where to go and in what formation, and you use maneuver columns on roads for longer distances, rather than click and drag rectangle formations of total war. The only commands you really need to use usually are the double click to move, and the formation buttons. There are loads of additional commands for micromanaging formations, like oblique marches and sidestepping, but you don't need those, they're just useful sometimes.
The camera controls are different from total war as well, and take some getting used to if you're already used to total war's.
If the graphics just aren't good enough, I can't really debate that, it is what it is. They're not modern graphics, but I think they look good.
True, the interface is different from total war, you tell the troops where to go and in what formation, and you use maneuver columns on roads for longer distances, rather than click and drag rectangle formations of total war. The only commands you really need to use usually are the double click to move, and the formation buttons. There are loads of additional commands for micromanaging formations, like oblique marches and sidestepping, but you don't need those, they're just useful sometimes.
The camera controls are different from total war as well, and take some getting used to if you're already used to total war's.
If the graphics just aren't good enough, I can't really debate that, it is what it is. They're not modern graphics, but I think they look good.
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My thoughts
Here are my thoughts for what it is worth.
1. DRM - Yes, I had an experience with Microsoft where they had a DRM on one of their software’s, in the end, I was moving around Asia and Africa a lot and had only a work computer, so I'd install, uninstall, install. Finally, I couldn't install it anymore, tried to fix it via email, and they could never get it working again. I had to buy the software again. Also, it seems to me that if the company goes away, unless they put out a patch to get rid of the DRM, then you lose the software eventually. Is it a illegal? No, but I can imagine these cases will be in the courts in the future, maybe as a class action law suit. For me, $30 isn’t the end of the world, I’ll play it as long as it works and not get worked up over the legal issues of it.
2. Price $30 - I can't believe software only costs that. I paid $20 for AACW and also thought it was too cheap. Basically the price of a dinner and a movie, and think about how many hours you will play it. It seems to me that games are cheaper now than in the 90s, and now we get more upgrades and endless forums on top of that.
3. Game style - It is very different to AACW. Basically, there are 20 scenarios for all for Gettysburg, a "make your own scenario" and multi-player. I've only done the 1st 2 scenarios. They are realistic, hard, and fun if you want a real-time battle. Perhaps most fascinating, there is a realistic "historical" setting where you control the battle by couriers. There are also the easy settings like the "Total War Series" if that interests you. Personally, I only use the courier setting as I played Total War too much. The commanders are meant to behave in a historical fashion and don't always do what you say, like history!
4. SOW community - There seems to be a pretty active community. Like all games these days, it takes patches to get them up to spec. The 1.2 patch just came out. Also there are other mods that change things from music to smoke to artillery fire.
5. In summary - I would think the game is only for ACW fans (me) or people that have a serious interest in commanding a battle using the realistic courier method. I listened to a Podcast the creators did, they said the game is meant to move at a glacial speed, and that is intentional. If you are looking for artillery to move at unrealistic rates and fire like a machine gun, look elsewhere. If you want artillery to limber, move, unlimber, load, aim, shoot, and then this might be your game. The demo, which is also at 1.2 now, if free, as usual. I bought it a couple weeks ago and have played a little, but it's been fun.
Hope that helps,
Charles
1. DRM - Yes, I had an experience with Microsoft where they had a DRM on one of their software’s, in the end, I was moving around Asia and Africa a lot and had only a work computer, so I'd install, uninstall, install. Finally, I couldn't install it anymore, tried to fix it via email, and they could never get it working again. I had to buy the software again. Also, it seems to me that if the company goes away, unless they put out a patch to get rid of the DRM, then you lose the software eventually. Is it a illegal? No, but I can imagine these cases will be in the courts in the future, maybe as a class action law suit. For me, $30 isn’t the end of the world, I’ll play it as long as it works and not get worked up over the legal issues of it.
2. Price $30 - I can't believe software only costs that. I paid $20 for AACW and also thought it was too cheap. Basically the price of a dinner and a movie, and think about how many hours you will play it. It seems to me that games are cheaper now than in the 90s, and now we get more upgrades and endless forums on top of that.
3. Game style - It is very different to AACW. Basically, there are 20 scenarios for all for Gettysburg, a "make your own scenario" and multi-player. I've only done the 1st 2 scenarios. They are realistic, hard, and fun if you want a real-time battle. Perhaps most fascinating, there is a realistic "historical" setting where you control the battle by couriers. There are also the easy settings like the "Total War Series" if that interests you. Personally, I only use the courier setting as I played Total War too much. The commanders are meant to behave in a historical fashion and don't always do what you say, like history!
4. SOW community - There seems to be a pretty active community. Like all games these days, it takes patches to get them up to spec. The 1.2 patch just came out. Also there are other mods that change things from music to smoke to artillery fire.
5. In summary - I would think the game is only for ACW fans (me) or people that have a serious interest in commanding a battle using the realistic courier method. I listened to a Podcast the creators did, they said the game is meant to move at a glacial speed, and that is intentional. If you are looking for artillery to move at unrealistic rates and fire like a machine gun, look elsewhere. If you want artillery to limber, move, unlimber, load, aim, shoot, and then this might be your game. The demo, which is also at 1.2 now, if free, as usual. I bought it a couple weeks ago and have played a little, but it's been fun.
Hope that helps,
Charles
Scourge of War is now published by Matrix Games! The DRM is removed.
There have been continued patches and the game has improved a lot over the last year. The multiplayer community is growing and still plays every day. Check us out at www.sowmp.com.
There have been continued patches and the game has improved a lot over the last year. The multiplayer community is growing and still plays every day. Check us out at www.sowmp.com.
Garnier wrote:Scourge of War is soon to be published by Matrix Games! The DRM will be changing to Matrix Games' way, so it should be less problematic.
There have been continued patches and the game has improved a lot over the last year. The multiplayer community is growing and still plays every day. Check us out at www.sowmp.com.
Garnier is right, all DRM has been removed from the game... No more internet activation, it's all local serial key. So if anyone has put off buying it because of the DRM, now is a good time to pick it up.
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