Entrenchment question

[AC67]

In my current game as Central Powers (October 1915) I have noticed that both French and Russian units are entrenched up to level 2, while my Germans and Austrians are not; or at least their counters don't show the entrenchment symbol. I thought that entrenchment would occur somehow automatic, given that the units don't move and firepower doctrine is adopted. But maybe I am missing something here ...

BTW, Italy just joined the Central Powers. I insisted diplomatically, and Austria also offered the Trentino to the Italians, even with no success at first ... does this happen very often?

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[calvinus]

In my current game as Central Powers (October 1915) I have noticed that both French and Russian units are entrenched up to level 2, while my Germans and Austrians are not; or at least their counters don't show the entrenchment symbol. I thought that entrenchment would occur somehow automatic, given that the units don't move and firepower doctrine is adopted. But maybe I am missing something here ...

Absolutely not an automatic increment! Haven't you read the messages that informed you that the trench level of Germany and Austria-Hungary improved thanks to the adoption of technologies such as Trench Mortars A or B, and Land Mines???

Aren't you researching that technologies?

BTW, Italy just joined the Central Powers. I insisted diplomatically, and Austria also offered the Trentino to the Italians, even with no success at first ... does this happen very often?

From my experience, I can say Italy joins the Allies side in 75% of cases, CPs in the remaining 25%...

[AC67]

Absolutely not an automatic increment! Haven't you read the messages that informed you that the trench level of Germany and Austria-Hungary improved thanks to the adoption of technologies such as Trench Mortars A or B, and Land Mines???

Aren't you researching that technologies?

No such messages ... surely because I'm researching some other stuff (combat gas and motors, IIRC) Guess I have to re-allocate my scientists ...

From my experience, I can say Italy joins the Allies side in 75% of cases, CPs in the remaining 25%...

Been lucky then, I suppose

Thank you Calvinus!

[calvinus]

No such messages ... surely because I'm researching some other stuff (combat gas and motors, IIRC) Guess I have to re-allocate my scientists ...

You probably missed them or you didn't pay them the proper attention.

Also, be sure you spend no less than 40 EPs in Tech. Researchs. You can share such expenditures among all your major powers.

[oldspec4]

I'm also playing the CP and have zero entrenchment as of October 1915. I always max out the tech slider for all my allies. I have seen the appropriate messages for the Entente re: entrenchment but none for me. Think the Entente is up to level two now.

[calvinus]

The techs that improve the level of Entrenchment are:

- Trench Mortars A
- Trench Mortars B
- Land Mines

[oldspec4]

Yep...have seen those messages for the Entente. I'm waiting for the same CP messages. I want the French to suffer when they attack .

[calvinus]

Each tech is worth a +1 trench level, but you have to:

1) successfully bring researchs to completion, and
2) adopt it in a defensive battle (automatic adoption the first time you defend)

Remember also that the trenches are at full level X on the West Front, X-1 on the East Front and X-2 on other minor Fronts.

[oldspec4]

A good reminder on the trench levels by front..

[rattlesnake]

Each tech is worth a +1 trench level, but you have to:

1) successfully bring researchs to completion, and
2) adopt it in a defensive battle (automatic adoption the first time you defend)

Remember also that the trenches are at full level X on the West Front, X-1 on the East Front and X-2 on other minor Fronts.

There aren't any Entrenchment war outside Europe.

[Gray_Lensman]

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[rattlesnake]

Entrenchments can represent anything from fully dug trenches to stockades to piled up abatis, hence the differences in defensive enhancement values.

Entrenchments represent the war comes to a state that the offensive side can hardly take any effective attack ,and the defensive side is easy to defend.
Defensive enhancement level is zero outside Europe.

But during the WWII the entrenchments have little effect.

[calvinus]

Yes, zero outside Europe (and Middle East).

[oldspec4]

Calvinus,

I am now into March/April 1916 as the CP. I still have zero entrenchments and am in the firepower doctrine. Am I missing something or is this WAD?

[calvinus]

Calvinus,

I am now into March/April 1916 as the CP. I still have zero entrenchments and am in the firepower doctrine. Am I missing something or is this WAD?

Oldspec4, haven't you read my post #6?

I see you have never researched any technology that improves trench level!

[oldspec4]

Yes sir...I did read. For some reason, I thought some of the entrenchment technology was event driven based on the level of research spending . Is the doctrine, i.e., firepower in my current game, also dependent on technology research? In prior games I thought it was event/die roll driven but then my attention span isn't too great .

[calvinus]

No, the Fire-Power doctrine brings a new set of rules for battles, but the bonus for entrenchment is provided by the core-trench technos! No event, no automatic progression...
Then, the combat doctrines for bombardments and infiltration allow you to reduce the trench bonus, that is very powerful for the defender.

I see now in your game the Allies are at level 2 for trenches, you yet at zero...

[oldspec4]

I know...I know..I have lots of catching up to do

[Moff Jerjerrod]

In my current game as the Central Powers my trench level is 0. I'm feverishly researching Trench Mortars A and B.

My question is that I have noticed my enemies have little sandbags at the bottom of the 3D sprite but my forces do not. They have entrenchment level 3 in the West and 2 in the East.

Is the reason why my units do not show sandbags because I have only trench level 0?

[calvinus]

In my current game as the Central Powers my trench level is 0. I'm feverishly researching Trench Mortars A and B.

My question is that I have noticed my enemies have little sandbags at the bottom of the 3D sprite but my forces do not. They have entrenchment level 3 in the West and 2 in the East.

Is the reason why my units do not show sandbags because I have only trench level 0?

Yes! Sandbags appear when the trench level is 1+.

Concentrate also on Land Mines... and be sure you're spending the required 40 EPs for tech. researchs! Whip your scientists!

[Moff Jerjerrod]

Thanks for confirming what I thought.

Oh yeah, I'm investing a total of 47 EPs combined from Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Ottoman Empire.

Whip your scientists!

Can you tell me where the "whip" button is?


edit: Forgot to ask, if each of my major powers are researching 2 techs do I have to pay 40 EPs per each tech or just spend a grand total of 40 EPs for research in general, no matter how many techs I'm researching at the same time?

Also, should I only research one tech at a time in order to maximize all 40 EPs being spent on that one tech as opposed to spreading the money over several techs?

[calvinus]

40 EPs is the total expenditure required for all researchs to all nations together.

If you allocate a cumultated budget that does not meet the required 40 EPs, you will perform only one research test. If you meet the requirements, instead, you will perform two tests (per each technology researched), so having more chances to get a successful result.

Maximum researchs per side: 5.
Maximum researchs per nation: 2.

Example: UK researchs 2 techs, France 2... thus Russia can research no more than 1, so bringing the pool to 5.

Clear?

[Moff Jerjerrod]

Perfect! Now it is clear. I have been doing it correctly then.