For a new player this is very annoying. Which scenario listed is the entire Civil War from April 1861 with Kentucky? The descriptions are exactly the same for the two April scenarios, which should be a clue that someone should take the 15 seconds necessary to change them to what they should read.
In English, the 'w/' means with, so the title of the one scenario that says w/ would seem to mean that this is the scenario WITH Kentucky. But about 5 months into the war I notice that Kentucky says it cannot be entered in this scenario.
Someone should just spend 15 seconds and edit the descriptions of the scenarios to say 'this one is for a neutral Kentucky for the entire war' and 'in this one Kentucky joins a side', or whatever the correct descriptions are.
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My mistake. I thought I had paid for this game. Seriously dudes, I spent 30 minutes looking through the forums trying to find some clue as to how to start a new game and found nothing. How silly of me not to check the mods section first. Perhaps the explanation should be somewhere a little more obvious, such as in the description of the scenario.
The manual states 'Grand Campaign', something that one will not find on the New Game selection screen. I could have figured it out with the April start date but than there are two identical scenarios, with identical word for word descriptions, the only difference being 'w/ Kentucky' in the title.
What does that mean? With Kentucky Neutral for the war? With Kentucky starting out on one side or the other? With Kentucky taken over by Space Lizards? Is the one without the w/ Kentucky mean there is a big hole in the map and they never join?
How is someone to know?
Acting all snarky because there is a description hidden in a mods folder in the forums on a website is a little weak.
I understand and appreciate volunteer work, but before it is incorporated into the unmodded game somebody somewhere needs to do at least the bare minimum quality control. All that needed to have been done is the description should have been changed to say 'This is the Kentucky mod that is detailed at this website.'
Is that all that difficult?
The manual states 'Grand Campaign', something that one will not find on the New Game selection screen. I could have figured it out with the April start date but than there are two identical scenarios, with identical word for word descriptions, the only difference being 'w/ Kentucky' in the title.
What does that mean? With Kentucky Neutral for the war? With Kentucky starting out on one side or the other? With Kentucky taken over by Space Lizards? Is the one without the w/ Kentucky mean there is a big hole in the map and they never join?
How is someone to know?
Acting all snarky because there is a description hidden in a mods folder in the forums on a website is a little weak.
I understand and appreciate volunteer work, but before it is incorporated into the unmodded game somebody somewhere needs to do at least the bare minimum quality control. All that needed to have been done is the description should have been changed to say 'This is the Kentucky mod that is detailed at this website.'
Is that all that difficult?
I'm sorry that you are not satisfied with the work done regarding the scenario descriptions. Yours is the first negative feedback we've had about this (after receiving a truckload of positive feedback), so players' mileage must be varying here, apparently.
"w/Kentucky" means that the scenario has been updated to have a better and more nuanced handling of Kentucky neutrality. It can join the Union war effort, it can remain neutral or it can join the South; you as a player won't have full control of what it'll do, but you can read more about it in the thread that has been linked to if you care about the details.
It isn't more difficult than that, and you shouldn't try to make it like it is
"w/Kentucky" means that the scenario has been updated to have a better and more nuanced handling of Kentucky neutrality. It can join the Union war effort, it can remain neutral or it can join the South; you as a player won't have full control of what it'll do, but you can read more about it in the thread that has been linked to if you care about the details.
It isn't more difficult than that, and you shouldn't try to make it like it is
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I'm not sure what to make of the attitude here. Are you saying that I am stupid because I can't look at two absolutely word for word identical descriptions and tell that one has different rules for Kentucky entering the war based on a mod posted in a forum on the internet? Explain to me how exactly a person is suppose to divine that.
This is extremely simple. Try to follow the logic here. A person who firsts purchases this game is not going to know what is posted in the mods section. What kind of moron would post necessary information that apply to the game as published, that is to say the completely unmodded game, on a sub-forum on mods on the internet, and expect that new players will somehow know that they have to look there?
Ageod has made a mistake here. A fairly embarrassing one. Instead of just admitting that you are in the wrong and moving on, you instead choose to serve up a little attitude. There are so many easy ways to fix this. Why are you instead making it worse?
You could change the description on the scenario to describe the changes. You could change the manual. You could include a text file with the changes and tell people to look there. You could include in the description a link to the mod on the internet. You could put a sticky on the forum.
So many easy productive choices.
This is extremely simple. Try to follow the logic here. A person who firsts purchases this game is not going to know what is posted in the mods section. What kind of moron would post necessary information that apply to the game as published, that is to say the completely unmodded game, on a sub-forum on mods on the internet, and expect that new players will somehow know that they have to look there?
Ageod has made a mistake here. A fairly embarrassing one. Instead of just admitting that you are in the wrong and moving on, you instead choose to serve up a little attitude. There are so many easy ways to fix this. Why are you instead making it worse?
You could change the description on the scenario to describe the changes. You could change the manual. You could include a text file with the changes and tell people to look there. You could include in the description a link to the mod on the internet. You could put a sticky on the forum.
So many easy productive choices.
I have to agree with morgana's point, if not his approach. The scenario description for both '61 scenarios is identical, and almost every person would assume that w/Kentucky means with Kentucky as a participant, not with Kentucky as a bystander. I figured out that the scenario w/Kentucky didn't include Kentucky on my own but if the only place this info is available is in the mods forum that is an oversight by someone.
I know that there won't be an update to fix a typo (or anything else) at this point but you might make a bit better effort to not call the customers idiots, no matter how rude they might be.
I know that there won't be an update to fix a typo (or anything else) at this point but you might make a bit better effort to not call the customers idiots, no matter how rude they might be.
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Indeed. In fact, no-one has even said that morgana is wrong in saying that the differences could be presented better. However, coming into the forum, guns blazing, tends to put people off and doesn't set the grounds for any good discussion about the issue raised. Bees, honey, vinegar; you know the story
To be clear, the "/w" in "w/Kentucky" means that the scenario includes modifications to the way Kentucky neutrality is handled, making for a better simulation of it and for more interesting gameplay choices. Kentucky may (or may not) remain neutral longer than in the other scenarios, but it will be a rare game to see Kentucky neutral throughout, if it is even possible.
To be clear, the "/w" in "w/Kentucky" means that the scenario includes modifications to the way Kentucky neutrality is handled, making for a better simulation of it and for more interesting gameplay choices. Kentucky may (or may not) remain neutral longer than in the other scenarios, but it will be a rare game to see Kentucky neutral throughout, if it is even possible.
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Hi Evr1
Im totally new to AACW and have been reading through a lot of the threads to learn tips for newcomers etc. I have to admit that I too had no idea what option was actually the grand campaign and its only now that Im finding out by reading this post The manual is confusing in that respect and Mods Forum is definately not a natural place to start looking sorry guys. On the other hand I totally apreciate the work and effort gone into this seemingly huge game ( which so far I've only played the tutorials 
). I have come accross Morgana in another few posts which are equally as aggresive. I would never talk to people like that on a forum or in RL, especially if I wanted their help but I guess thats the way some people are 
Thanks again evr1, cant wait too start.
Rasher
Im totally new to AACW and have been reading through a lot of the threads to learn tips for newcomers etc. I have to admit that I too had no idea what option was actually the grand campaign and its only now that Im finding out by reading this post
The manual is confusing in that respect and Mods Forum is definately not a natural place to start looking sorry guys. On the other hand I totally apreciate the work and effort gone into this seemingly huge game ( which so far I've only played the tutorials ). I have come accross Morgana in another few posts which are equally as aggresive. I would never talk to people like that on a forum or in RL, especially if I wanted their help but I guess thats the way some people are
Thanks again evr1, cant wait too start.
Rasher
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