Ambrose Burnside

[rickd79]

USA Ambrose Burnside ldr_USA_Burnside3 NULL NULL NULL NULL 6 5 3 16 General 1 NULL 2 2 3
USA Ambrose Burnside ldr_USA_Burnside2 NULL NULL NULL NULL 6 10 2 5 General 1 NULL 2 2 3


First off, it looks like Burside does not have an entry as a Division commander (historically, he rose to Corps command pretty quickly...but it might be worthwhile to have him available as a division commander in the game)

As a Corps commander, I would suggest the "Slow_Move" characteristic. At this level of command he had some problems "getting things moving" at Antietam in 1862, and also during the "Overland" campaign of 1864.

As an Army commander, I would suggest the "Slow_Move" charactersistic, in homage to his inability to get the Army of Potomac across the Rappahannock River during the Fredricksburg campaign.

Additionally, you might consider the "Dispirited Leader" trait as an Army commander. Burnside fully admitted that he was out of his element at that command level.

See the following entry from wikipedia:
"Personally, Burnside was always very popular—both in the army and in politics—but he was out of his depth as a senior army commander, a fact no one knew better than Burnside himself. Knowing his capabilities, he twice refused command of the Army of the Potomac until finally being forced under orders to accept it. And despite bitter disappointments in high command, he willingly and loyally served his country in lesser roles for the remainder of the war."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Burnside

[Chris0827]

I'd go with overcautious instead of slow mover. He always seemed to be where the battle was being fought but had a problem sending the troops in.

[rickd79]

Good point..."overcautious" probably fits better.

[Korrigan]

New proposition:

USA Ambrose Burnside ldr_USA_Burnside3 $Overcautious NULL NULL NULL 6 5 3 16 General 1 NULL 2 2 3
USA Ambrose Burnside ldr_USA_Burnside2 $Overcautious NULL NULL NULL 6 10 2 5 General 1 NULL 2 2 3
USA Ambrose Burnside ldr_USA_Burnside1 NULL NULL NULL NULL 6 10 1 5 General 1 NULL 4 2 3

Perhaps we should also look at his political and VP value?

[Chris0827]

How does Vp and Pol ratings affect generals? I read that you take a morale hit for removing a general with a high pol rating but what else do they do?

[Pocus]

VP is given when you kill an enemy general. Pol is mostly used when you bypass a general, or remove him from command. No others political implications, for now...

[Korrigan]

That's why I suggested to have a look at this, in order for the player to experience the "pressure" to nominate Burnside, eventhough you know he won't perfom as well...

[Pocus]

raise his seniority then and tie it to a big POL value, so he is a thorn in the side to dispose (or just relegate somewhere guarding the canadian border)

[frank7350]

ok...which numbers are the Vp and Pol ratings? I'm seeing 4 numbers for 2 spots...unless I'm misreading this. And specifically for Burnside, I don't know about raising his Pol rating. He knew he wasn't suited to command at higher levels... forcing the player to promote him raises an ahistorical scenario, doesn't it?

[rickd79]

Did anyone else agree that "Dispirited Leader" might apply at the Army command level, or have we ruled that one out?

[frank7350]

actually, i think we overlooked accidentally...

[Korrigan]

New proposition:

USA ldr_USA_Burnside3 $Overcautious $Dispirited_Leader NULL NULL 20 30 3 16 General 1 NULL 2 2 3
USA Ambrose Burnside ldr_USA_Burnside2 $Overcautious NULL NULL NULL 6 15 2 5 General 1 NULL 2 2 3
USA Ambrose Burnside ldr_USA_Burnside1 $Militiaman $Recruiting_Officer NULL NULL 6 10 1 5 General 1 NULL 3 2 3

Rational:

At the outbreak of the Civil War, Burnside was a brigadier general in the Rhode Island Militia. He raised a regiment, the 1st Rhode Island, and was appointed its colonel on May 2, 1861.

I tried to simulate why Burnside was popular and quickly promoted despite his lack of military experience.

[veji1]

This looks very nice, I think it is a good example of how different traits can be given for different command levels.

[frank7350]

good job!

[Korrigan]

USA ldr_USA_Burnside3 $Overcautious $Dispirited_Leader NULL NULL 20 30 3 16 General 1 NULL 2 2 3
USA Ambrose Burnside ldr_USA_Burnside2 $Overcautious NULL NULL NULL 6 15 2 5 General 1 NULL 2 2 3
USA Ambrose Burnside ldr_USA_Burnside $Militiaman $Recruiting_Officer NULL NULL 6 10 1 5 General 1 NULL 3 1 2

Variation:

"Young" Burnside is less experienced in attack and defense (3-1-2) than Corps commander Burnside (2-2-3). This comes in addition to variation in Strat rating and abilities.

[frank7350]

looks good....

[IronBrigadeYankee]

looks good....

Agreed, looks excellent