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Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:21 pm

Pocus wrote:by biased historical I mean: do you want the historical setup and economic ratio, or do you want it altered so to have a balanced game. Balancing by victory points will be done in both cases anyway.


I want a checkbox in the option panel to activate/desactivate the feature :D

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:31 pm

Pocus wrote:by biased historical I mean: do you want the historical setup and economic ratio, or do you want it altered so to have a balanced game. Balancing by victory points will be done in both cases anyway.


Then definitely historical !!

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:24 pm


1. Favorite side, overall:

(b) CSA - I hate slavers but they offer a better challenge ;)


2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:

(a) USA - Because they shouldn't lose


3. Do you read the rule

(d) before playing - More than that, I even participated in the design :niark:

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(b) biased historical

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(d) when I have few time

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:31 pm

1. Favorite side, overall:
(a) USA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:
(a) USA

3. Do you read the rule
(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(b) biased historical


6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(a) never

For myself, after the tutorial, it's the campaign or nothing. :sourcil:

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:06 pm

1. B (CSA)

2. B (CSA)

3. B & C (when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial & when I need a specific answer)

4. A (yes)

5. B (biased historical)

6. E (when I know the campaigns by heart)

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:42 pm

Pocus wrote:What are your favorites playing choices?


1. Favorite side, overall:

(a) USA : i like beast the rebs in wargame :niark:


2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:

(a) USA because I think this forgive mistake better than CSA


3. Do you read the rule


(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes important for me to discover the game


5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)

(b) biased historical , like BoA it seem good for me


6. Do you play the smaller scenarios

(c) not really, just to discover the game eg , I "learn" with smaller scenarios but I prefer great campain



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Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:50 pm

1. Favourite side, overall:
(b) CSA

2. Favourite side, when discovering the game:
(b) CSA

3. Do you read the rule
(c) when I need a specific answer

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(b) biased historical

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(c) not really, just to discover the game eg

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:55 pm

saintsup wrote:Then definitely historical !!


I agree!

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:00 pm

1. Favorite side, overall:

No preference.

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:

No preference.

3. Do you read the rule

(d) before playing

4. Do you play the tutorial

(a) yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)

(b) biased historical ~ with following caveat: I prefer historical with the measure of success being how I faired to history (i.e. did I do better or worse than the commanders did on that day with the resources at hand).

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios

(b) all

One final note, this is my first post...just purchased BoA and it is a splendid game indeed! Good luck and I look forward to the release of your newest project!
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Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:16 pm

For me

1. Favorite side, overall:
(b) CSA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:
(a) USA
(b) CSA

3. Do you read the rule
(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes


5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(a) balanced

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(b) all


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Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:32 pm

Then definitely historical !!


I agree!


I agree also. Very much so!

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:26 pm

1. Favorite side, overall:
(b) CSA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:
(a) USA

Really I have no particular preference other than both sides present me with different challenges which leads to the balance issue. I'd prefer a more historical approach purely because of the variety this would give in playing either side.

3. Do you read the rule
(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial

After an initial play I'll read them comprehensively and probably ask questions on the forum in order to get more detailed info on specific aspects. I like to understand the game mechanics and appreciate a good game design.

4. Do you play the tutorial
(d) yep. Always.

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(b) biased historical (see comments above

It's important that there are options available to the user in order to tweak the experience to their preference. The more options the better. A particular option I like is the ability to give the AI more CPU time in order to toughen it up.


6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(c) just to discover the game

Most of my playing would be on the big campaign. A smaller scenario has to offer something unique in order to grab my interest.

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:25 am

1b - Favourite side - CSA

2b - Favourite side - CSA

3c - I'll read instructions when I need a specific answer - or when all else fails ...

4a - Generally play tutorial.

5b - Biased Historical where AI can be made harder as player's proficiency increases. Good AI is crucial to any game I buy.

6b - Generally play all scenarios

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1. Favorite side, overall: (b) CSA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game: (b) CSA

3. Do you read the rule: (d) before playing

4. Do you play the tutorial: (a) yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish): (b) biased historical

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios: (f) other - I would play some for training pourposes or if a particular one interested me

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1. Favorite side, overall:

(b) CSA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:

(b) CSA

3. Do you read the rule

(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)

(b) biased historical


6. Do you play the smaller scenarios

(d) when I have few time

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:01 pm

Hi Folks,

Like to first tip my hat to you all for your brilliant start in the wargaming business and give you my best wishes that your new game makes a big splash.

Here's my "preferences:"

Favorite side overall: Neither

Favorite side discovering game: Neither

Do you read the rules: Nope, not relevent as I am not new to wargames

Do you play the tutorials: Rarely, again as I am not new to computer wargames.

Balanced or biased historically: Other, I perfer "fun", no matter how you do it. (more on that later)

Do you play smaller scenarios: Rarely, as I perfer grand strategy.

If you don't mind I'd like to expand on the question concerning whether the game should be balanced or biased historically.

There have been very few grand strategy games made based on the American Civil War. However, this is a very well documented war, with folks having distinctly opinionated views concerning it's details. If you all have followed the discussions over at Matrix games concerning their new game, Forge of Freedom, you will see this quite clearly. For some, the game is not right unless the details (weapons effects, naval power, industry, etc.) are right. For me, however, the game is not right, unless it captures "the flavor" (from a historic basis) of the era in a challenging game whether playing the North or South.

Now I'd like to expand about what I mean by "the flavor."

When one looks at the American Civil War from an historical, grand strategy viewpoint, one walks away understanding this war was the precursor to modern day, all out war. We see in history swings which favored either offensive or defensive operations. Prior to the ACW, offensive operations had the edge due to the shock effect of cavalry, ala the Napoleonic wars. But that edge was being lost during those times and indeed completely lost during the ACW due to the invention known as rifling, for both muskets and cannon. Rifling meant a new swing in operations that favored the defensive. Of course, there were other scientific innovations that helped throw the balance to the defensive, but what is important for us to understand is that the ACW was fought during a time when defensive operations dominated the battlefield.

This is "the flavor" of the American Civil War and we see this played out during the actual struggle and on its battlefields.

Now folks can argue about all the little historical details, but if "the flavor" is not captured, then their discussion is merely an academic exercise. Let us take leadership, for example. When we understand that the battlefield heavily favored the defensive, then we gain insight into why many have come to believe that the South had the best generals. The Army of Northern Virginia did miraculous work when it fought against an advancing Yankee army. But when they were tasked to take to the offensive, were little more effective than their Northern counterparts. Now granted, there are lots of additional factors that are all pertinent, but the overhanging basic precept, that the defense had become the dominant form of warfare, lays as the fundamental cause.

Now the Union managed to overcome this fundamental advantage the Rebs possessed using various new types of weaponry, training, better cavalry, blockading the coast, etc., but in the main, the war was won by shear attrition of the combatants involved. This too is part of "the flavor" of the ACW and was a precursor to all out war (eptimozed by World War I) as we view it from an analytical strategic viewpoint.

I know the developers here are on their final journey in completing the game and I understand that it is an adaption of an existing engine. I do hope, however, that it manages to capture some of "the flavor" of the period. It is a difficult war to simulate and I think we should all bare that in mind when it comes to discussions of it's success in recreating "the history" of the time. Trying to make a game about the ACW both historical and fun (for both the North and the South) combined, is a true challenge indeed.

Personally, the American Civil War is by far my favorite era, so I'm quite excited about the coming release of the game, and once again wish all involved great success (whether my "preferences" are met or not) and a heartfelt thanks for addressing the period.

Ray (aka Lava)

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1. Favorite side, overall:
(b) CSA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:
(a) USA

3. Do you read the rule
(d) before playing

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes


5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(b) biased historical


6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(d) when I have few time

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1. Favorite side, overall:
(b) CSA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:
(b) CSA

3. Do you read the rule
(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial
(c) when I need a specific answer


4. Do you play the tutorial
(c) depends

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(b) biased historical

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(a) never

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1. Favorite side, overall:
"Both I guess. Being from the South I have more interest in CSA. Also, in a historically biased game against the AI, playing as the CSA probably will be more fun and challenging. However, the North has the advantage of more "toys" to play with and I think more interesting strategic options which can be fun to explore. Once concern would be how well the AI can handle the South against a human player."

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:
(b) CSA - "presumably a bit simpler to play while learning the rules."

3. Do you read the rule
(d) before playing


4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(b) biased historical - "For me, this is very important. If there is no historical play, at least as an option, I probably would not buy the game."


6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(b) all - "Well, most of them anyway. Because of limitations on the time I have available to play games, I often wind up playing the smaller scenarios the most. This has certainly been true for me with BOA."

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Hi ... old BoA player here who finally got around to checking the forums (fora?) again. So glad to see you guys got another game coming out .. ACW too? Wow.

Here are my answers:
1) CSA
2) CSA
3) I read the rules after playing around a bit/doing the tutorial.
4) I definitely play the tutorial
5) I prefer biased historical scenarios (with victory conditions that even things out). In other words, the CSA should be a hard slog in this one.
6) I play all the scenarios.

Looking forward to this one!

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[quote="Pocus"]What are your favorites playing choices?


1. Favorite side, overall:

(a) USA
(b) CSA


either

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:

(a) USA
(b) CSA


either

3. Do you read the rule

(a) never
(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial
(c) when I need a specific answer
(d) before playing
(e) other


Once while sitting with the game and once offline. Will usually install and tune graphic options before reading anything though.

4. Do you play the tutorial

(a) yes
(b) no
(c) depends



Yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)

(a) balanced
(b) biased historical
(c) other



Balanced-historical meaning that goals assigned to me may award me a victory despite not rewriting history. For example, the battle awards me a victory if I play a fighting withdrawl of forces while inflicting heavy losses on the enemy. The enemy takes the field as their 4:1 advantage might dictate. However, I inflict 2-3:1 casualties and win a psychological/political victory while living to fight again.

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios

(a) never
(b) all
(c) not really, just to discover the game eg
(d) when I have few time
(e) when I know the campaigns by heart
(f) other

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Yes, either to learn the mechanics or sometimes if they are exciting in their own right. I think with AGE, the really small ones aren't really that exciting.

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1. Favorite side, overall:
(b) CSA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:
(a) CSA


3. Do you read the rule
(d) I usually will fire the game up and look at it before reading the rules, but yes, I print out the rulebook and read it

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(b) I like a game to be historical. If that means the South getting a whomping, then so be it. But then, I like the game designer to address the victory conditions so that the southern player has a chance of winning the game, not the war!!! To me, this is[I][B][/I][/B] balance. I can't understand game companies that invent history to balance a game. Let history be history, and let us change it. If we change it significantly enough within the game system, we win the game. Is that a hard concept?

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(d) Yes. Especially during the learning phase.

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:14 am

Ok done this for first two options. Want to help you guys as much as I can so we get this game as soon as possible :sourcil:

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Forrest said something about killing a Yankee for each of his horses that they shot. In the last days of the war, Forrest had killed 30 of the enemy and had 30 horses shot from under him. In a brief but savage conflict, a Yankee soldier "saw glory for himself" with an opportunity to kill the famous Confederate General... Forrest killed the fellow. Making 31 Yankees personally killed, and 30 horses lost...

He remarked, "I ended the war a horse ahead."

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:29 am

For third and fourth question. One thingis sure; do tutorial :niark:

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Forrest said something about killing a Yankee for each of his horses that they shot. In the last days of the war, Forrest had killed 30 of the enemy and had 30 horses shot from under him. In a brief but savage conflict, a Yankee soldier "saw glory for himself" with an opportunity to kill the famous Confederate General... Forrest killed the fellow. Making 31 Yankees personally killed, and 30 horses lost...



He remarked, "I ended the war a horse ahead."

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What are your favorites playing choices?

1. Favorite side, overall:
(a) USA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:
(a) USA

3. Do you read the rule
(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)

(b) biased historical

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios

(d) when I have few time

The only game I've purchased in the past two years that I've really enjoyed and played over and over is Birth of America. You've made a game that concentrates on the military strategy without all the details that bog games down these days (supply, finances, etc.).

This Civil War game looks promising...and it's a period I really love, but...I keep seeing more features like supply, finances etc. creeping in to the game...and I'm hoping you allow those as an option...since I believe that they will appeal to a small percentage of the players and ruin that magic you have created in Birth of America...a game that focuses on being a game, not a detailed historical documentary.

When did it become necessary to add all the needless detail we have in games today? I've been playing games since Avalon Hill Tactics II...and today it just seems that we can't get a simple, fun to play game that can be completed in an evening any more!

Anyway, good luck in your development...and I have to say you did an excellent job with Birth of America!

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Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:54 am

We are keeping the focus of the military, but it was needed to add a tool to build units as you desired, so this led to the addition of money and such. But if you check the screen, you will see it is done in a way very easy to handle: the construction screen centralize everything, and you don't have to check your cities and the map for example. The same apply to industrialization.

Thanks for the stats Marecone. I'm surprised to see so many people reading the rule before playing, a myth is crumbling here: that wargamers don't read rules unless threathened :)
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You are welcomed Pocus. Glad to help
Forrest said something about killing a Yankee for each of his horses that they shot. In the last days of the war, Forrest had killed 30 of the enemy and had 30 horses shot from under him. In a brief but savage conflict, a Yankee soldier "saw glory for himself" with an opportunity to kill the famous Confederate General... Forrest killed the fellow. Making 31 Yankees personally killed, and 30 horses lost...



He remarked, "I ended the war a horse ahead."

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1. Favorite side, overall:
(a) USA
(b) CSA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:
(a) USA
(b) CSA

3. Do you read the rule
(a) never
(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial
(c) when I need a specific answer
(d) before playing
(e) other

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes
(b) no
(c) depends

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(a) balanced
(b) biased historical
(c) other

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(a) never
(b) all
(c) not really, just to discover the game eg
(d) when I have few time
(e) when I know the campaigns by heart
(f) other

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1. Favorite side, overall:

(b) CSA



2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:

(b) CSA



3. Do you read the rule

(d) before playing


4. Do you play the tutorial

(c) depends

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)

(b) biased historical


6. Do you play the smaller scenarios

(b) all
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Pocus wrote:What are your favorites playing choices?


1. Favorite side, overall:

(a) USA
(b) CSA

2. Favorite side, when discovering the game:

(a) USA
(b) CSA

3. Do you read the rule

(a) never
(b) when I have played a bit the game/after the tutorial
(c) when I need a specific answer
(d) before playing
(e) other

4. Do you play the tutorial
(a) yes
(b) no
(c) depends

5. For the out-of-the-box game, Do you prefer a balanced game or a historical but biased one (taking into account that you can give an advantage/disadvantage to the AI as you wish)
(a) balanced
(b) biased historical
(c) other

6. Do you play the smaller scenarios
(a) never
(b) all
(c) not really, just to discover the game eg
(d) when I have few time
(e) when I know the campaigns by heart
(f) other

In your reply, for the sake of clarity, list the full answer not just the letter please.

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