Rename Armies?

[kglorberau]

I noticed in some old Threads that you can rename units by usning "control + left click". But I think they also said you cannot rename Armies. Why? I just noticed that my CSA Army of Northern Virginia is still named the CSA Army of the Potomoc in 1864. Wasn't there supposed to be a date that automatically switched it to the ANV when Gen Lee took over?

Just curious.

KgLorberau

[Rafiki]

Armies use a different naming scheme. When you form an army, it gets its name from a predefined list where the name is selected based on where the army is formed (of course, making sure names aren't duplicated )

[Gray_Lensman]

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[HMSWarspite]

Armies use a different naming scheme. When you form an army, it gets its name from a predefined list where the name is selected based on where the army is formed (of course, making sure names aren't duplicated )

If you want to change an Army name to another, remove the leader from command, then reinstate him, whilst in an area that selects the name you want (or change commander when you are going to anyway). I use this for the Union army to get the AotP at the right moment (irritates me to have the wrong name )

[Gray_Lensman]

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[kglorberau]

So Gray,

If I wanted my CSA Army of the Potomoc to be renamed the Army of Northern Virginia, I just pull it back to say Richmond area, remove General Lee, and then reinstate him as Army commander? Does it then rename it Army of Northern Virginia?

Just curious.

Kglorberau

[Gray_Lensman]

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[husky1943]

Ciao HMSWarspite,
Thanks for the tip! I will remember that one. Yeah, I was fighting in Missouri with the Army of the Potomac!?!

[kwhitehead]

Not sure of the CSA side, you'd just have to save it, try it and find out.

If you want to change an Army name to another, remove the leader from command, then reinstate him, whilst in an area that selects the name you want (or change commander when you are going to anyway). I use this for the Union army to get the AotP at the right moment (irritates me to have the wrong name )

Can you do this without taking the Morale Point hit for removing the leader?

[Jim-NC]

If you re-install him as leader, then no hit.

On a side note, you can take a large morale hit if the leader is not the most senior general. For example is Lee is seniority 6, and Jackson is seniority 5, and you remove Lee to rename the army, Jackson will be upset at being passed over for the army command. He seems quite content as long as you don't remove Lee from command. The moment you remove Lee, he gets annoyed if you don't make him commander.

[kwhitehead]

If you re-install him as leader, then no hit.

On a side note, you can take a large morale hit if the leader is not the most senior general. For example is Lee is seniority 6, and Jackson is seniority 5, and you remove Lee to rename the army, Jackson will be upset at being passed over for the army command. He seems quite content as long as you don't remove Lee from command. The moment you remove Lee, he gets annoyed if you don't make him commander.

That is unfortunate but not surprising. We need a better way for renaming armies especially for the Union who is more likely stuck with a few high seniority deadbeats preventing using this method. More than likely sometime in the game you will get a poor Army commander out of the way by sending him and has HQ to fight indians or something and the AoP will be in Kansas.

[Gray_Lensman]

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[Colonel Dreux]

So Gray,

If I wanted my CSA Army of the Potomoc to be renamed the Army of Northern Virginia, I just pull it back to say Richmond area, remove General Lee, and then reinstate him as Army commander? Does it then rename it Army of Northern Virginia?

Just curious.

Kglorberau

This is what I do. Build the 2 Army HQs you can build. Once they're ready, assign one to either A.S. Johnston or J.E. Johnston. Do it based on seniority so you don't take a hit in VPs/NM. Then build the next Army HQ and when Lee is ready assign him that one. Don't remove Beauregard ever, at least until you've got the Johnston's and Lee an Army. Lee's Army will be the Army of Northern Virginia. You can then move Beauregard somewhere else and apply his corps to Lee's new army.

You won't lose any points if you do this way.

[kglorberau]

Thanks Colonel.....

By the way, was that a relative of yours killed in the war in 1861? I had a Great-great-great grandfather (maybe even another great) who was a General in the Army of Potomoc at Gettysburg. I also had relatives fighting in the Army of Northern Virginia who were actually from the pro Southern parts of West Virginia, which was way way pro Union (they lived in the border region along Virginia and considered themselves Virginians and not Yankee West Virgininians...haha).

Kglorberau

[Colonel Dreux]

Thanks Colonel.....

By the way, was that a relative of yours killed in the war in 1861? I had a Great-great-great grandfather (maybe even another great) who was a General in the Army of Potomoc at Gettysburg. I also had relatives fighting in the Army of Northern Virginia who were actually from the pro Southern parts of West Virginia, which was way way pro Union (they lived in the border region along Virginia and considered themselves Virginians and not Yankee West Virgininians...haha).

Kglorberau

Kglorberau,

Who was your relative who was a General? Colonel Dreux (Lt. Colonel maybe) was the first Confederate officer to be killed in the Civil War. He was an aristocratic Creole from New Orleans. He was killed in a brief skirmish on the Peninsula while trying to ambush some Union troops. There was a huge funeral in New Orleans after his death. The war was still in its early romantic stages and what not, and New Orleans was still a part of the Confederacy and supporting the cause.

I'm from Louisiana and have some Creole heritage, so that's why I'm using his name. I had relatives who fought in the Civil War, but he's not one of them I think.

[kglorberau]

My Great great great great (or whatever) grandfather on my mother's side was General Kress. I forget his first name but he wrote a book or journal about his experences in the war that one of my brothers or sisters seems to have misplaced. He is apparently buried at Arlington Cemetery as well. He was my Mom's, mother's grandfather I think.

KgLorberau

[Colonel Dreux]

My Great great great great (or whatever) grandfather on my mother's side was General Kress. I forget his first name but he wrote a book or journal about his experences in the war that one of my brothers or sisters seems to have misplaced. He is apparently buried at Arlington Cemetery as well. He was my Mom's, mother's grandfather I think.

KgLorberau

Cool. I don't know much about my relatives that fought. I know one deserted (maybe left with permission) once he found out his wife had their first child.

Another one from the other side of the family survived the war and walked all the way home, although I'm not sure where he was when the war ended.

[jmalok]

You can however rename the Army Stack as long as it is just an empty HQ.
For example, say you want to make a Army of the Atlantic or something, take an army HQ and rename its stack and then put the leader you want into that stack. If you do it the other way it does not work.

[Rafiki]

Hi jmalok, and welcome to the forums

Note that doing so will give a stack with an army HQ in it, but it won't be an Army Stack, i.e. one that you can attach corps to.

[Gray_Lensman]

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[jmalok]

I suppose it would help if I finished the directions. After you put the general you want to command the new army in the renamed HQ stack, You have to make him army commander like normal. Every time I have done it you still are able to Attach Corps to the renamed army.

So for my previous example you can still have McClellan command the Army of the Atlantic with Butler as the commander of the newly formed CVII Corp or whatever.

[W.Barksdale]

Interesting! The title under the 3star in command keeps the name of one of the predefined army names, however, if you hover your mouse over the flag (where the armies corps are listed) it will give the name that you picked! Indeed, even the corps say that they are part of army with the name of your choosing!

I'll run a few turns to see if it stays...looks like an awesome discovery now tho!

EDIT: Under 1.13b the name stays after a few turns!

So it seems you can rename armies! The generic name will still appear under the commanding 3-star, but the stack and corps will say that they are part of the army that you named!

[Gray_Lensman]

I suppose it would help if I finished the directions. After you put the general you want to command the new army in the renamed HQ stack, You have to make him army commander like normal. Every time I have done it you still are able to Attach Corps to the renamed army.

So for my previous example you can still have McClellan command the Army of the Atlantic with Butler as the commander of the newly formed CVII Corp or whatever.

Sorry. Doesn't work... (At least per your instructions). As above, I had the unassigned army by itself in its own stack named "Special Ops Army" just for the experiment. I then brought in McClellan above and made him a commander just like normal.

It did indeed create an army that was able to have Corps attached, but the game named the new army "Army of the Potomac" instead of "Special Ops Army".

You seem to be confused over the results you are obtaining in regards to the ability to rename the army itself.

If you have some pics to post showing some sort of custom named army, I encourage you to post them. I truly doubt you are able to change the name of formed up armies, either at the moment of creation or after they are created since this is an internal game function that had to stay in place even after Pocus, the programmer, gave everyone the ability to change the name of all the other stacks. As Rafiki points out above, changing the name of the stack is not the same as changing the name of the formed up Army itself.