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Well, instead of heading the discussion to a personal fight between the "do it" vs "don't it"... something that it is not really useful for AGEod... why don't we go into more interesting matters? ;)

I propose...
What interesting features will you like to see in the game from previous AGEOD games?
What new features you will like?
and so on...

and the most important ones...
Who can get a detailed OOBs?
Who can make an operative map ala WIA/NCP/AACW?
Which scenarios you will like to create/play?
Who volunteers for these tasks? :w00t: ;)

This is mostly brainstorming... but, it is to see how far this idea can go...
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cptcav wrote:What I find confusing is that if you are not interested in playing a wargame stated in a particular post, why do you feel the need to even read the posts, much less to make a post expressing your lack of interest?

Is it to keep that particular wargame from getting made? For example, Sol Invictus post regarding "...I would hate to see AGEOD use their valuable time on this..." or is there some other motivation to raining on the parade?

I mean, I can understand someone questioning the viability of making the said wargame, but come on, why hang out on a thread talking about something that you supposedly have no interest in.

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Well I tend to read many different posts and anything w/ Viet Nam in the title definitely gets my attention. Again, I was only stating my wargaming preference. No hidden agenda here. I prefer older wargames. If the market will support a 'Nam game then AGEOD should by all means address that market :thumbsup: .

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Tue May 12, 2009 7:20 am

Generalisimo wrote:Well, instead of heading the discussion to a personal fight between the "do it" vs "don't it"... something that it is not really useful for AGEod... why don't we go into more interesting matters? ;)

I propose...
What interesting features will you like to see in the game from previous AGEOD games?
What new features you will like?
and so on...

and the most important ones...
Who can get a detailed OOBs?
Who can make an operative map ala WIA/NCP/AACW?
Which scenarios you will like to create/play?
Who volunteers for these tasks? :w00t: ;)

This is mostly brainstorming... but, it is to see how far this idea can go...
:thumbsup:


And that's exactly what needs to be done in order for us to make a decision ;) :thumbsup:
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Being new to the game system, there is little that I can offer in the way of map and scenario creation; however, I am more than willing to begin working on OOB information.

I have extensive information and know where to find additional information on the US Army. And, some info on the US Marines.

However when it comes to the NVA, I am afraid that I have very little information at present. Basically, I have only that found in the Victory Games Vietnam. The same lack of information exists for me on the French and other allied forces. But, I am willing to research.

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Tue May 12, 2009 8:40 am

Here is a guy who is making Vietnam scenarios (11 so far) for TOAW series:
http://www.the-strategist.net/RD/scenarii/display_scenario.php?Id=780

Maybe he would be interested in a future AGEOD Vietnam project ?

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Tue May 12, 2009 9:04 am

In addition the guy seems to be a Frenchman...may be he could support his 'neighbours' in such a project ;)
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I know that, for some wargame, developpers had received infos for the OOB from the US ambassy itself after a short time delay...

We can ask to Veteran associations too. They're some of great interest.

The most difficult'll be to have rightest informations for the Viet side...

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PhilThib wrote:In addition the guy seems to be a Frenchman...may be he could support his 'neighbours' in such a project ;)

Excellent, maybe you can also cover the French Indochina War (and the "interesting" battle of Dien Bien Phu :D )

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PascalB wrote:I know that, for some wargame, developpers had received infos for the OOB from the US ambassy itself after a short time delay...

We can ask to Veteran associations too. They're some of great interest.

The most difficult'll be to have rightest informations for the Viet side...

Exactly, from what I know, there are extensive sources about the US military forces on Vietnam... but that's not the case about the other side... :(
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Carnium wrote:Excellent, maybe you can also cover the French Indochina War (and the "interesting" battle of Dien Bien Phu :D )


"interesting"? oh, naughty boy !
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I like the idea.
As far as I know the AGEOD engine should be good for an insurgency type conflict.

Also, I'm an OIF vet, don't have any problems playing current conflict games like CMSF, etc..
I used to at first, but not anymore.

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A few quick (obvious?) thoughts:

* The turns should be weekly, at most.

* Allied units should be battalion sized elements.

* NVA units should be battalion sized elements.

* VC units should be company sized elements with very strong evade ratings.

* Airmobile and riverine units should be represented as points like riverine and rail points in AACW.

* Gunboats should be used to interdict supply and provide combat support as in AACW.

* As mentioned earlier, airstrikes should be a point system giving combat bonuses.

More later.

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I have some Vietnam era OOB's somewhere in my library I'll take a look at what I got.
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Is Vietnam war the secret project? :feu:

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Nikel wrote:Is Vietnam war the secret project? :feu:


What secret project? ;)
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PhilThib wrote:What secret project? ;)


Must be one of those you have inside your head ;)


So for 2009 we will have RoP ("minor" summer release) and VGN (huge Christmas release).


And for 2010 following the same structure, my bet is AVW and NCP2

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Taking note of your bets...although I am no bookmaker :D
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On this subject... well, I have recently bought this book:
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But I still need some time to process it all... :siffle: :D
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Wed May 13, 2009 1:39 pm

This link could be useful, not complete yet it seems. But perhaps will be when AGEod starts the development :D


http://www.eleven-bravo.co.uk/the-war/order-of-battle/index.php

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What we need is info on the Vietnamese forces...
Does anybody own/know these books?

Armies of the Vietnam War 1962–75
Armies of the Vietnam War (2)
The NVA and Viet Cong

:confused:

If not, I will have to go for the Campaign series that cover specific combat operations... like the Tet Offensive for example...
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Generalisimo wrote:On this subject... well, I have recently bought this book:
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But I still need some time to process it all... :siffle: :D


I just ordered it as well, in addition to others on the subject.

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Generalisimo wrote:What we need is info on the Vietnamese forces...
Does anybody own/know these books?

Armies of the Vietnam War 1962–75
Armies of the Vietnam War (2)
The NVA and Viet Cong

:confused:

If not, I will have to go for the Campaign series that cover specific combat operations... like the Tet Offensive for example...


Just ordered "The NVA and Viet Cong". And, I already have the Campaign Series: Tet Offensive.

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One first question could be also :

From which date do you want the game to begin ?

From Japanese Invasion of French Indochina (1940-1945) or

From the First Indochina War (1946-1954) with later US assistance or

From US growing intervention after 1964...to the end we know.


So there are 3 possible campaigns, linked but somewhat hard to join together because of the number and differences between actors of this drama.
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cptcav wrote:And, I already have the Campaign Series: Tet Offensive.

And it is good? it shows the detail of forces from the Vietnamese side? :confused:
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Generalisimo wrote:And it is good? it shows the detail of forces from the Vietnamese side? :confused:


It has been a while since I opened it. I will look at it tonight and get back to you.

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cptcav wrote:It has been a while since I opened it. I will look at it tonight and get back to you.

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Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Adlertag wrote:One first question could be also :

From which date do you want the game to begin ?

From Japanese Invasion of French Indochina (1940-1945) or

From the First Indochina War (1946-1954) with later US assistance or

From US growing intervention after 1964...to the end we know.


So there are 3 possible campaigns, linked but somewhat hard to join together because of the number and differences between actors of this drama.


I would think the main game would be USA 1965-1975, similar to the Victory Games board game.
With a smaller side campaign for the earlier French involvment.

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Wed May 13, 2009 7:42 pm

The same guy that in eleven-bravo.co.uk, Richard Rinaldi , posted information regarding NVA and VC in the old site, that is offline:

http://www.gruntonline.com/Order%20of%20Battle/nva_vc_oob/nva_oob.htm


Right now it is only available through the WayBack Machine on Internet archive

http://web.archive.org/web/20061030003749pd_re_/www.gruntonline.com/Order+of+Battle/nva_vc_oob/nva_oob.htm



Thanks, WayBack Machine :thumbsup:

More information on the "machine"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive



Other links regarding the NVA and VC


A few information is available here

http://www.carrscompendiums.com/ccResources.html


A mess of original documents

http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/virtualarchive/


Some copies of the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV). Difficult to read declassified files

http://virtual.clemson.edu/caah/history/FacultyPages/EdMoise/macv.html

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Nikel wrote:The same guy that in eleven-bravo.co.uk, Richard Rinaldi , posted information regarding NVA and VC in the old site, that is offline:

http://www.gruntonline.com/Order%20of%20Battle/nva_vc_oob/nva_oob.htm


Right now it is only available through the WayBack Machine on Internet archive

http://web.archive.org/web/20061030003749pd_re_/www.gruntonline.com/Order+of+Battle/nva_vc_oob/nva_oob.htm



Thanks, WayBack Machine :thumbsup:

More information on the "machine"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive



Other links regarding the NVA and VC


A few information is available here

http://www.carrscompendiums.com/ccResources.html


A mess of original documents

http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/virtualarchive/


Some copies of the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV). Difficult to read declassified files

http://virtual.clemson.edu/caah/history/FacultyPages/EdMoise/macv.html


GREAT INFORMATION!!! :thumbsup:

Thanks,
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