New host of issues with new update...

[calvinus]

At least it's a lesson... Be veeery careful with attacks in Africa!

[PhilThib]

Philippe... do you think we have to override the major cities rule for Africa???

Of course yes, I believe the exception was that African corps can be placed in Africa only, no matter what the city status is....

[Frank]

Calvinus, i notice under 1.05i that there is a second siege test after the event phase. I think this is a bug.

[calvinus]

Present also before. It's a sort of pre-siege dierolls.

[PoorBoy2001]

Doug - can you quote the rule prohibiting corps with army number from going into reserve for their own army? (if I understand this thread correctly).

Here's the rule I have been following - but it's based on my rules rewrite and may be inaccurate:

• No unit with an army number may be placed in the GHQ Strategic Reserve or be assigned to another HQ.

This allows corps with army number in reserve of their own HQ.

[calvinus]

Corps with army number should not be able to be assigned to GHQ reserves, unless the numbered army is yet not in play.

So the rule is different indeed: when calling for the batte reinforcements from GHQ or army reserves, only not-army-numbered corps are taken.

[dougbush93]

Here is rule 10-D, from the boardgame basic rules (English version, directly out of the box):

"10-D. HQ and Units Belonging to It

- All units with an Army's number on their counters belong to that Army. As soon as an Army exists, and is placed on the map, these units cannot, in any case, be reallocated to other armies

- No unit belonging to a certain Army (with the Army number on it) may be placed in the strategic reserve of a GHQ or another HQ"

The second part is pretty clear to me. The clause starting with the "or", because their is no comma, ties "or another HQ" directly to the rest of the sentence preceding it.

The first part seems to reinforce this point, although it is a tad less clear in saying these corps cannot be "reallocated".

However, that quote is from an English translation of the original French rules, so if someone has the French rules and can show how it says otherwise, that's fine with me.

Doug

[Marquee]

Doug, my reading suggests that this provision precludes placing #'d corps in the reserves of HQs other than its own. Otherwise, what would the term "another" mean? Language interpretation rules require that language should not be construed so as to render written words meaningless. An interpretation that prohibits #'d corps from ALL HQ reserves would render the term "another" meaningless (i.e., the suggested interpretation would work if the word "another" were removed).

I hoped that your interpretation would be correct, but seeing the actual language and analyzing it I do believe it was not the intent to preclude #'d corps from being in its own army's HQ reserve.

And of course, we have Philippe here, who can issue the definitive ruling!

[calvinus]

Just to give an example on how I always interpreted the rule when playing the boardgame:

I never added the numbered corps of XIV German to GHQ or other armies' reserves army as soon the HQ of XIV German army entered in play. Before I could.

[dougbush93]

Doug, my reading suggests that this provision precludes placing #'d corps in the reserves of HQs other than its own. Otherwise, what would the term "another" mean? Language interpretation rules require that language should not be construed so as to render written words meaningless. An interpretation that prohibits #'d corps from ALL HQ reserves would render the term "another" meaningless (i.e., the suggested interpretation would work if the word "another" were removed).

I hoped that your interpretation would be correct, but seeing the actual language and analyzing it I do believe it was not the intent to preclude #'d corps from being in its own army's HQ reserve.

And of course, we have Philippe here, who can issue the definitive ruling!

I see your point, and agree. Inclusion of the word "another" certainly appears to mean those corps can be in their own Army's reserves. And, the more I think about it, I think I played it the way Calvinus describes.

Still, implementing the 10-D restriction on Corps with Army #s going into the GHQ reserve would improve computer LGG, I think.

Doug

[calvinus]

Rules armonization job done. Next patch.