How to use Stosstruppen?

[yoppy]

Now the game runs mostly stable for me I'm learn the game mechanics.
I'm in August 1916 and build my first stosstruppen for the german army.
I wanted to use them in a grand offensive but I couldn't place them as support unit. I guess I have to use them with some special doctrine.
But how to manage?

[jpwagner]

Now the game runs mostly stable for me I'm learn the game mechanics.
I'm in August 1916 and build my first stosstruppen for the german army.
I wanted to use them in a grand offensive but I couldn't place them as support unit. I guess I have to use them with some special doctrine.
But how to manage?

This is why I have stopped playing this game seriously until a full and comprehensive manual appears..I'll tinker with WWI, but for now that is all I'll do....

[calvinus]

"Infiltration" is the combat doctrine you have to successfully implement. It's the same for tanks.

[yoppy]

How do I implement "infiltration"?

[calvinus]

During the planning of the Grand Offensive (buttons in the bottom of the window).

[TheDeadeye]

Just a suggestion regarding the different buttons in the Grand Offensive window.

Since certain options require certain units to be present (i.e. Stosstruppen, Bombardment, etc) why not basically gray out the buttons that are unavailable at the time of the Grand Offensive if that required unit is not present?

As it stands now, basically most if not all buttons are readily available for the player to select. For example, and this is also something that confuses me a bit, is the massive bombardment option or any options that use any sort of preliminary bombardment. It is selectable even though you do not have any artillery support available. If I had no artillery present in that army then I shouldn't be able to bombard basically and several options should be grayed off in my opinion and only leave the options open that are feasible.

Another thing I wanted to suggest is why not tie certain options to certain units of a specific veterancy level? Lets say the x10 Hammering. This could only be used when you have an elite unit or several units with veteran status in the army, etc. What Im getting at is basically make some options something special that can really tilt the scale of the battle if you have the units present and leave the regular options like Attacks in Jumps or Waves, etc to when you do not have any unique units.

[WhoCares]

... For example, and this is also something that confuses me a bit, is the massive bombardment option or any options that use any sort of preliminary bombardment. It is selectable even though you do not have any artillery support available. If I had no artillery present in that army then I shouldn't be able to bombard basically and several options should be grayed off in my opinion and only leave the options open that are feasible.
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But what if I plan a GO in three month and expect to move or receive the required units to the respective HQ. E.g. I plan in April a GO after the Redeployment phase in June. In the Redeployment phase I can reshuffle most of my Armies, swap units, and so on. With your suggestion I could not plan such a GO because I now don't have what I expect to have by then.

[Offworlder]

During the planning of the Grand Offensive (buttons in the bottom of the window).

So basically you push infiltration and then you can actually use stormtroopers?

[calvinus]

Mmm... not exactly...

You schedule the "test" of Infiltration doctrine for when the Grand Offensive starts, that's to say when the Great Battle begins. When it begins, the doctrine is "tested"... if successful, you have that doctrine! And you can use stosstruppen and tanks.

[Offworlder]

Ah! Ok!

So I have to place 2 units of Stosstruppen in an army (according to tooltip) and see if it works?

[calvinus]

Yes. The section of the manual concerning Combat Doctrines is under work, just needing proof-reading tonight!

[Offworlder]

Thanks again. Man you need a break