I moved Holmes, CSA with 4 arty units & 2 supply units from Harpers Ferry alongside Potomac down to the river's estuary and my Build Fort button was greyed out all the time!!!! I couldn't build a fort in any region. Build Depot icon showed only when I took away Holmes from the stack. Still, the arty&supply stack couldn't develop a fort anywhere along the river. Do I have to have SPECIFIC artillery units in the stack? All 4 units have to be the same type?
PS.Playing 1.02 demo
I made it! You have to have 4 arty units of the SAME kind! I did it with 4 20lbs. Previously there were three 20 lbs and a horse-drawn arty unit in the stack. BTW, would 4 horse-drawn units give me a fort as well? Anyway, manual is somewhat misleading because it doesn't say you have to have 4 units of the same kind. On the other hand you are less likely to see a string of forts along the Potomac. 
no, I'm not aware of this limitation, they don't have to be of the same kind... Send me the save and give me the region name so I understand the why, please: support@ageod.com
Hofstadter's Law: "It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's law."
Pocus wrote:you need to have them at least to 50%, to prevent some exploits. The manual try to give the essential, and not all anti exploits and tiny rules, this would drown you otherwise
Isn't it in any case an exploit to use (partially) depleted or cheaper units to build forts? Do the forts strength depend on strength / lb of artillery units used?
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Gresbeck wrote:Isn't it in any case an exploit to use (partially) depleted or cheaper units to build forts? Do the forts strength depend on strength / lb of artillery units used?
My suggestion would be that instead of requiring four artillery units & two supply wagons to build a fort, charge the player an equivalent amount of money, conscripts, & war supplies instead (only requiring a brigade to be present (not consumed by the construction, but simply to do the work) & 100% military control). That way, you avoid the potential exploits of using damaged artillery or using light instead of field artillery, & you reduce the micromanagement of having to purchase & move the units into position, but maintain the very high cost of constructing forts (perhaps the cost could even be a bit higher than four artillery units & two supply wagons to compensate for the fact that the player would no longer have to take several turns to purchase the units & move them into position).
Then captured units would have very limited uses. Maybe if ever they can receive replacements, but until then I'd definitely prefer captured units to remain usable. If anything I'd prefer it if the entire notion of captured units was removed (convert captured equipment into fresh units and deduct manpower from your pool (if necessary go negative)). To balance the use of manpower allow disbanding of units, restoring an appropriate amount of manpower.
Marc aka Caran...
veji1 wrote:I like the fact that you have to transport the wagons and artillery around to build the fort, it emulates logistics... What could be good would be to just forbid captured units from contributing...
Most certainly. I can see an exploit of manuevering behind an enemy with militia and "pop", there goes a fort. You can do that now, but have to risk the enemy capturing the artillery and wagons.
The other option is to make sure you have adequate supply, but that is more restrictive (don't have supply, can't build the fort).
I think the current construct is not all that bad.
Pocus wrote:Send me the save and give me the region name so I understand the why, please: support@ageod.com
Sorry, checked yesterday and I have overwritten the save, but problems were probably stemming from a deactivated leader. I will check fort building in later games and duplicate the save as soon as I see problems.
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