HMS Warrior 3Qs

[Egg Bub]

1) Can you get it?
2) When do you get it?
3) What techs do you need to get it?

Sorry if impatient, but I was a bit miffed have researched iron-cladding of wooden ships to only get river squadrons. Oh, and are these really more powerful than wooden screw battleships (they are in CP apparently)?

[Moriety]

Research for the ships seems a bit odd.
I have 'Battleships' but am still researching 'Early Battleships'!

From what I can see with my achieved research you should get (in brackets) new ship types with the following techs:
Ironcladding wooden ships (1)
Monitors (1) (The Coastal Sqn unit, elements are Ironclads)
Iron Ships (1)
Ironclad Frigates (1) (Ironclad Frigates unit)
Early Battleships (1)
Battleships (1)
Steel Ships (4)

Two of these techs gave me the Ironclad Battleships (Warship Sqn unit) and the Ironclad Corvettes (Scouting Sqn unit), but unsure as to which gave what, but I think the Corvettes appeared second out of the two.
The Ironclad Battleships I can build in my Russian game have a power of 127, the Corvettes 50.

I have the Steel Ships research, but no steel ships to buy!

Jim on this board also pointed out that you need certain levels of the naval bases to build the larger ships, plus of course there are peripheral techs that have to be researched to unlock some of the units from what I can see, such as Barbettes and electric mounts etc.

[Egg Bub]

Thanks Moriety.

Could you tell me when you got "armoured frigates", which I believe is Warrior's class (ironic considering she was the largest warship in the world on construction). In reality she was built in 1860, but I don't see that happening as I'm in 1857 and subsidising all naval techs I see.

[sagji]

Thanks Moriety.

Could you tell me when you got "armoured frigates", which I believe is Warrior's class (ironic considering she was the largest warship in the world on construction). In reality she was built in 1860, but I don't see that happening as I'm in 1857 and subsidising all naval techs I see.

These is no way to get it in 1860.
Ironclad frigates tech only appears in 1860 and it requires you first research
Iron Ships (1860) requires Ironcladding Wooden Ships (1850)
Gun Turrets tech (1860) requires Gun Turrets (Invention) (1860) requires Navy Guns (Invention) (1850)
And two of these are inventions rather than technologies so you can't accelerate them.
The limiting path starting in 1860 is invent gun turrets, then research gun turrets tech and then Ironclad frigates - this probably means you can't start building it before 1867, and you are probably doing well if you launch it before 1870.

[Egg Bub]

Hmm. That is strange, because as far as I know HMS Warrior didn't have any turrets. It is a completely different type of ship from monitor for example.

This may be wasting time but do you get anything that looks like this with the "iron ships" tech - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Warrior_(1860)? Warrior was more of a battleship than a frigate if you are looking at size.

[Moriety]

Hmm. That is strange, because as far as I know HMS Warrior didn't have any turrets. It is a completely different type of ship from monitor for example.

This may be wasting time but do you get anything that looks like this with the "iron ships" tech - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Warrior_(1860)? Warrior was more of a battleship than a frigate if you are looking at size.

It has to be the Ironclad battleships unit. It come early and the unit image is a steam/sail ship. This is the only heavy warship unit I've had available to buy for a long time.

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[Kensai]

Guys, it's a game. As much as realistic it can be, it will always need to make some generic abstractions. Yes, the original Warrior cannot be built before early 60s because it needs a tech that gets unlocked (to be researched) not earlier than 1860. Nonetheless, you could always fantasize that you already have it in an (experienced) squad. Remember, the Warrior was unique and each unit of ships in the game is a squad of at least 4 vessels. So, yeah, it makes some sense not to be able to build four Warrior-class ships so early.

[Random]

Hmm. That is strange, because as far as I know HMS Warrior didn't have any turrets. It is a completely different type of ship from monitor for example.

This may be wasting time but do you get anything that looks like this with the "iron ships" tech - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Warrior_(1860)? Warrior was more of a battleship than a frigate if you are looking at size.

Nevertheless, HMS Warrior commissioned into the Royal Navy as a 4th Rate, a warship with only one gun deck and her first Captain was comparatively junior and paid at a frigate captain's rate. So describing her as an armoured frigate is not unreasonable in that the term "battleship" in the modern sense did not yet exist.

The game does retard the adaption of iron to some degree but it also gives a free pass on major steam warships since the 1850 GC starts with Wooden Steam Battleships but the first successful steam powered ship of the line was the French 120-gun l'Napoleon of 1851 but such ships already exist in the game.

Although the naval tech tree may not be slavishly accurate historically it is pretty representative and essentially prevents the player from having to deal with the nasty and expensive design dead-ends that were common during this period. Naval technology after 1859 (and the French l'Gloire that Warrior was a response to) did not really settle down until until Sir William White's Royal Sovereign's of 1889 but PON allows you to get there sooner when playing the big naval powers. Within that 30-year window, warship development in PON is pretty reasonable overall.

[Egg Bub]

Guys, it's a game. As much as realistic it can be, it will always need to make some generic abstractions. Yes, the original Warrior cannot be built before early 60s because it needs a tech that gets unlocked (to be researched) not earlier than 1860.

Don't worry I'm not criticising the game (in this particular instance), but Warrior was THE most powerful ship in the world for over a decade and acted as a deterrent to the European powers. Still, the "iron warship" picture looks suitable enough for me and I imagine my research will be ahead of AI so should have desired effect.

[StephenT]

Remember, the Warrior was unique and each unit of ships in the game is a squad of at least 4 vessels.

Warrior wasn't unique: she had an identical sister ship, Black Prince, launched two months later. Three months after that, the British launched two more ironclad frigates, Defence and Resistance, which were smaller than the first two but otherwise very similar in design. So that's your four-ship squadron right there...