Confederate Elite Bde's

[tyrex]

3 rounds per minute seems to be the normal for a trained unit...at least for the french army during the same period before the arrival of the Chassepot.

[Franciscus]

AFAIK, the Stonewall brigade did not have repeating rifles, ever. For that matter, I also think that no CSA inf brigade had them (and not even the cav ones). IIRC, only the USA cavalry, and in the last 2 years of war had them (also one USA mounted infantry that fought in the Tenesse theater - Chattanooga, Chikamauga - with great effect, but I do not remember the name of the unit apy: )

[Coregonas]

Sure that repeating rifle affair is true, I only knew some USA cav having them.

However, the question is:

1.- Should Stonewall be considered as an Elite ?
--- In fact it was just a famous & experienced unit, but this is what Elite means in the game design.

2.- If YES -> Then the scenarios have different DATABASE for picking the unit.

In the Standard Game, Stonewall BDE has 4 Elite Bns. + 1 Skirmisher
-> 2nd, 4th, 5th, 27th (Elites) and 33rd (Line Sharpshooter)

In the July Scenario, It has only 2 Regular Inf + 1 Late-Sharpshooter (so no elite elements)
-> 2nd, 4th (Regular), 5th&27th (Normal Sharpshooter)

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As WIKI:
The brigade was formed by Jackson at Harpers Ferry, April 27, 1861, from the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 27th, and 33rd Virginia Infantry regiments and the Rockbridge Artillery Battery, all units recruited in or near the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. It was officially assigned to the Virginia Provisional Army, then to the Army of the Shenandoah on May 15, and the Valley District on July 20.
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Perhaps in the other scenarios (no experience in them sorry) the unit (and some other for sure) are changed.

Although that is not a problem in the big numbers. And Vanilla - April is the main priority IMHO.

[arsan]

I would use the april Stonewall brigade setup also on the july scenario.
IMHO, as the game is now, elite brigades represent just famous real ACW brigades to add a little flavour.
And the Stonewall one certainly is as famous or more than any of the USA elite ones.
For ACW2 (or sooner if possible :innocent it would be great to gain the elite ability when a normal brigade performed great on game. Like a plus on the current experience stars system.
Regards

[Jabberwock]

(also one USA mounted infantry that fought in the Tenesse theater - Chattanooga, Chikamauga - with great effect, but I do not remember the name of the unit apy: )

The Lightning Brigade

[W.Barksdale]

IMHO, as the game is now, elite brigades represent just famous real ACW brigades to add a little flavour.
And the Stonewall one certainly is as famous or more than any of the USA elite ones.
For ACW2 (or sooner if possible :innocent it would be great to gain the elite ability when a normal brigade performed great on game. Like a plus on the current experience stars system.
Regards

I think we're going in the wrong direction for elite outfits. Any unit should NOT be able to gain elite status. Can you imagine a brigade full of conscript regiments eventually becoming elite? Only volunteer units, and regular units to some extent, should be able to become elite.

Elite units represent men with exceptionally high moral and a will to fight both for the enlisted men, field officers, and the general officer. All units just did not have these characteristics.

What all units do have in common is the ability to learn. After fighting units can become experienced. They know what it's like to hear a bullet whiz by or rip through flesh. They learn how to quickly load, aim, and fire, under enemy fire, effectively. They become veterans and they learn earn this trait in battle.

Morale and leadership is key. If, during good times, a veteran unit has high moral an elite unit would exceptionally high moral. On the other hand, if the war is going badly, even veteran units may become dispirited. The same is true for elite outfits. An elite force would have become dispirited albeit to a lesser extent because of their passion, will to fight, and zealous leaders.

Not all veterans can be designated as elite.

[Franciscus]

The Lightning Brigade

Thank you apy:

Is this brigade in AACW ?

[arsan]

I think its one of the free elite brigades the USA get.

[Jabberwock]

Yes, appears in early '63, IIRC.