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Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:02 pm

Granitestater - Perhaps you needed to go to bed a little earlier on that last post ;)
Remember - The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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GraniteStater
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Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:56 pm

Prolly, but what about my Qs?

Gotta help out the illiterate Slow Learner here.
[color="#AFEEEE"]"Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!"[/color]
-Daniel Webster

[color="#FFA07A"]"C'mon, boys, we got the damn Yankees on the run!"[/color]
-General Joseph Wheeler, US Army, serving at Santiago in 1898

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(A) When in doubt, agree with Ace.
(B) Pull my reins up sharply when needed, for I am a spirited thoroughbred and forget to turn at the post sometimes.


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ArmChairGeneral
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Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:53 pm

GS

So, obviously card usage, value and price is an evolving subject, and more information is still coming in, but:

Ignoring the fact that they all get used in different circumstance, for a loyalty duel, I would rate them that way too: Habeus > Demo > Counter-intel, but more from a cost perspective than from their effects. Habeus 3 VP < Demo $10 < Counter Intel $25.

I wouldn't use Counter-intel in a loyalty duel, although it is part of that set, because of the price (actually never played it at all against Athena, nothing to counter).

Counter-Intel (help me out here someone) actually cancels the opposing card, compared to counter-acting it. This is a strong ability (unless the cancelled card returns to the pool like with a normal failure, and then is kind of expensive for what you get) so is more pricey than the other loyalty cards. I consider it a part of the Loyalty-deck as well as the Detection-deck, and multi-purpose-use also justifies a higher cost. (Are Demos, Spies and Disinformation the only cards it can be played on?)

Still not sure of the overall value of loyalty-duelling in terms of cost-benefit. I have been using cards aggressively because they are new and I want to try them out. The military advantage that can actually be achieved vs. the cost (particularly for Demos) is still unclear in my book, and I await others' observations eagerly. So far I feel like Habeus is a no-brainer in places like Baltimore for the Union, but the jury is out on aggressive Demo usage. I want it to have a cost-effective impact, just not sure if it actually does.

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GraniteStater
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Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:21 pm

Hmm...thanks, Comfy Guy.
[color="#AFEEEE"]"Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!"[/color]

-Daniel Webster



[color="#FFA07A"]"C'mon, boys, we got the damn Yankees on the run!"[/color]

-General Joseph Wheeler, US Army, serving at Santiago in 1898



RULES

(A) When in doubt, agree with Ace.

(B) Pull my reins up sharply when needed, for I am a spirited thoroughbred and forget to turn at the post sometimes.





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GraniteStater
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Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:03 pm

Melody: "Master of the House", from Le Miz

Slap a little Habe
Blame it all on Abe
Throw your tush in jail 'til you be-ha-ave

In you go right now
Better like the chow
Forget about your lawyer an-y-how-ow

Peace reigns on the streets this evening
Isn't it so awful nice?
Bayonets and muskets gleaming
The populace are all like mice

Slap a little Habe
Blame it all on Abe
Throw your tush in jail 'til you be-ha-ave

In you go right now
Better like the chow
Forget about your lawyer an-y-how-ow

Wait until the war is over
Then you see your wife and kin
Should have joined up in Dover
Then you could've saved your skin

...etc
[color="#AFEEEE"]"Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!"[/color]

-Daniel Webster



[color="#FFA07A"]"C'mon, boys, we got the damn Yankees on the run!"[/color]

-General Joseph Wheeler, US Army, serving at Santiago in 1898



RULES

(A) When in doubt, agree with Ace.

(B) Pull my reins up sharply when needed, for I am a spirited thoroughbred and forget to turn at the post sometimes.





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