Trench Warfare...

[GrudgeBringer]

I understand that being in towns,forts, ect give an army shelter in the winter and help get the cohesion and health bar back to the top.

My question is twofold....

1. Does the army have to be OUTSIDE the town to entrench? Or does being in the town Still allow them to do the same thing (actually double duty if it does)?

2. IF your army has to be outside the town to entrench and there is a battle, does any units (milita or otherwise) that are in the town take place in the battle also or are they a second line of defense?

The part about whether they entrench inside the town or not could make a HUGE difference.

Thanks as usual!!!!

[Hobbes]

It doesn't actually matter if you are inside or outside a structure for shelter as long as a friendly structure exists in the region. Your troops can entrench inside or outside.

I've always assumed units inside a structure will not take any part in a battle that takes place outside.

Cheers, Chris

[Le Ricain]

I understand that being in towns,forts, ect give an army shelter in the winter and help get the cohesion and health bar back to the top.

My question is twofold....

1. Does the army have to be OUTSIDE the town to entrench? Or does being in the town Still allow them to do the same thing (actually double duty if it does)?

2. IF your army has to be outside the town to entrench and there is a battle, does any units (milita or otherwise) that are in the town take place in the battle also or are they a second line of defense?

The part about whether they entrench inside the town or not could make a HUGE difference.

Thanks as usual!!!!

1. An army can entrench inside or outside of a city. You can observe the entrenchment icon in the lower left hand corner of the city icon. The city also gives a defensive bonus. The disadvantage to being inside the city is that you can become besieged.

2. I believe that if you attack the units outside the city, you will also engage the units inside as well. I know that it works this way for forts. In my recent game I advanced Grant against Forts H & D which was defended by its garrison and Forrest with cavalry outside. I set Grant to assault with Orange as I did not want to take the casualties of a Red assault. In the battle Grant fought both Forrest's cavalry and the garrison troops, but only the cavalry units were destroyed. I have noticed the same when assaulting Richmond when it was defended inside and outside. The inside force supports the outside force, but without the its defensive bonus and without the threat of losing the fort/city.

You do not need to be inside the city/fort to get the benefits, but inside you get the benefits of cohesion regain and replacements much quicker.

[runyan99]

On point 2, the battle screen will list all of the elements in the region, both inside and outside the structure, but the units inside WILL NOT participate. That's why in your example, Forrest's cavalry was damaged, but not the garrison inside.

[Hobbes]

On point 2, the battle screen will list all of the elements in the region, both inside and outside the structure, but the units inside WILL NOT participate. That's why in your example, Forrest's cavalry was damaged, but not the garrison inside.

Yes this must confuse many!

"inside you get the benefits of cohesion regain and replacements much quicker"

Are you quite sure about this Ricain? I'm sure I have seen Pocus post to say there is no difference.

Cheers, Chris

[Pocus]

Runyan is right, the battle report, because of coding (and display room) contingencies list everything in the region, but only if you assault you will face the garrison.

Red posture compared to Orange posture does not change anything on losses, except that you storm the structure if there is one.

As for cohesion recovery, yes there is a difference between being out and being inside. I know this is not consistent with shelter from weather which just asks from being in a region with a structure. Perhaps it can be changed, although it provides an incentive to be in a structure and risk sieging.

[Le Ricain]

On point 2, the battle screen will list all of the elements in the region, both inside and outside the structure, but the units inside WILL NOT participate. That's why in your example, Forrest's cavalry was damaged, but not the garrison inside.

Now that is interesting.

[cobraII]

the troops inside might be in battle because on battle results it lists number of troops that begin in city, the way it says begin makes it seem like they start there but then join in the battle like any reinforcements would. I could be wrong though

[Le Ricain]

the troops inside might be in battle because on battle results it lists number of troops that begin in city, the way it says begin makes it seem like they start there but then join in the battle like any reinforcements would. I could be wrong though

Welcome to the forum CobraII. As Pocus has said, due to coding issues, the battle screen lists all units in a region. However in an attack (orange), only the defenders outside the structure will participate. To attack those inside, you must assault (red).

[cobraII]

thank you and i must have misunderstood or not read what Pocus said as carefully as i should have

[Le Ricain]

thank you and i must have misunderstood or not read what Pocus said as carefully as i should have

No problem. As you can see from my post above, I originally thought that the situation was as you described.