Is there a problem with Seniority for Generals

[GrudgeBringer]

I am playing CSA on normal settings.

PT Bueagaurd starts with the Army of the Potomic and a 6 seniroity rating.

Joe Johnston starts with a 5 seniority rating (it seems like in a previous start he had a 5 rating and PT had a 4....but I could be wrong and I didn't have random on).
When I got PT in position so that I could make Army Corps the game had a blurb that told me that Johnston should be the General (which I ignored) but I made Johnston and T Jackson Corps Commanders WIHTOUT penalty.

Heres where it gets strange....

A.S. Johnson comes on board in the west as a 3 seniority and R.E. Lee comes on in Richmond as a 4 seniority.

Now at this point I KNOW someone is gonna be upset when Lee activates so my solution was...

I made 2 generic army HQ's (both ended up starting in Richmond by coincidence), One for A.S. Johnson in the west (and 1 for Joe Johnston in case I needed another general).

With A.S. Johnson having a 3 and Lee having a 4 seniority rating I thought I had this all set WITH an extra army Commander (Joe Johnston) if needed.

HOWEVER, The Free Army HQ (the Army of Northen Virginia) NEVER showed up (I was wondering if because I had 3 armies already in the Virginia area if it wouldn't let me have a 4th).

OK I still had 2 Generic army HQ's so I wasn't going to sweat the the kinks in all this till later.

I gave A.S. Johnson (3) an army in the west (it came up as Army of the Mississipi) and on the same turn I gave Lee (4) his command. (I tried to take away the AotP from PT and give it to Lee but It wouldn't let me strip PT of his Generalship).

All was well and I proceeded to invade and take Washington and had a morale of 187 with like 1800 VP (I think).
The norths Morale rating dropped to 57 (so just taking Washington DOESN't always win it for you).

I hit turn and WHAM I get 2 seperate messages, Joe Johnston is Pissed that he was passed over by A.S. Johnson and Joe Johnston is Pissed that he was passed over in favor of R.E.Lee.

EACH took a 20 point Morale hit and a 240 point VP hit for a grand total of 40 Morale points and 480 VP's (also it seemed like the uNion RAISED 15 Morale points,,,maybe because it is a reaction to the CSA's Displeasure?).

So It took all this to ask WHY is Joe Johnston Pissed (direct quote btw) because he was passed over when he has a HIGHER seniority number than the other 2 Generals (Yes I checked to see if he had got commendations and had lowerd his rating)?

And Why did I not get my Free AoNV HQ?

BTW, if anyone is interested...in the FIRST bunch of generals (turn 3) Gustavious Smith seems to get an automatic promotion to 2 star with very little combat, so I keep him around Richmond for a Corps Commander when Lee comes on.

I hope someone has a theory on this as I am hesitant to start a new game until I understand this.

Thanks Guys

[Aurelin]

From the wiki: Be aware that promoting a leader to 3 or 4 star who is considered too junior by the military and political establishment (i.e. there are other more senior officers of the same rank) will cost you NM and VP’s, depending on the “bypassed” leaders’ political cost.

The same applies to 3 or 4 star leaders assuming army command if another more senior unassigned leader is bypassed. Finally, relieving an officer from his army command will also entail a loss in NM proportional to his political cost.

Note: This only applies at army level, not at corps level and below.

There also is no free ANV HQ

[GrudgeBringer]

Hmmmmmmmmm, Guess that answers all I needed to know...thanks

[Le Ricain]

From the wiki: Be aware that promoting a leader to 3 or 4 star who is considered too junior by the military and political establishment (i.e. there are other more senior officers of the same rank) will cost you NM and VP’s, depending on the “bypassed” leaders’ political cost.

The same applies to 3 or 4 star leaders assuming army command if another more senior unassigned leader is bypassed. Finally, relieving an officer from his army command will also entail a loss in NM proportional to his political cost.

Note: This only applies at army level, not at corps level and below.

There also is no free ANV HQ

As I understand the problem, Grudgebringer has J. Johnston with a seniority of 5 being passed over for promotion to army command by A S Johnston with a seniority of 3 and R. E. Lee with a seniority of 4. GrudgeBringer received two NM and VP hits for promoting out of sequence. It makes no sense.

What is J Johnston's seniority in the new turn?

Edit: Please ignore. I just read GrudgeBringer's newer post.

[Aurelin]

Yeah. I read it too after I posted here

[Gray_Lensman]

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[lodilefty]

Originally Posted by GrudgeBringer
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And Why did I not get my Free AoNV HQ?

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Thanks Guys

I don't think you get a new HQ, just the name.....

[soloswolf]

I don't think you get a new HQ, just the name.....

Agreed. I have never recieved a free HQ from this event.

[GrudgeBringer]

Well, on 2/18/08 I was playing the Grand Campaign and J Johnston got commendations that made him a 3 seniority.

I went ahead with A. Johnson in the west and Gave him the Army of the Tenn (figuring he had seniority by virtue of date of commission), WRONG, I still got a hit but only for 129 VP and 4 MP.

Now I reread the rules and it says IF I strip PT B of his Army AND give it to a General with lower Seniority The SAME turn there will be no penalty (going to do that this turn and give it to J Johnston who BTW from commendations is NOW a 1 seniority)

In the meantime, PT B has dropped to a 4 seniority (guess I should not have taken Harpers and Alexandria). So now I have Lee AND PT B with the same senoirity (4) and will take another hit by giving Lee the Army (Which btw DID just show up in Richmond out of the blue) and make PT a Corps Commander.

I see NO way to not take a hit UNLESS I just don't let J Johnston fight at all till Lee gets his command. And that ain't gonna happen as he is too valuable.

So do I just take the hits or am I missing something?

Thanks

[Doomwalker]

My strategy for the beginning of my campaign always entails Johnston heading to Tennessee as soon as I can move him to prevent any experience gain for him. I find that Jackson is much more important to me than Johnston, and moveing Johnston to TN helps that much more. With Jackson at the lead of that unit he tends to get his needed experience quicker, and Jackson gets the promotion I need him to.