1862 threaten Richmond event

[gchristie]

Hello,

Playing as Union version 1.15 1861 full campaign with KY add on in a pbem game.

I was just penalized 10 NM for failing to meet the requirements of the first threaten Richmond event and I thought I had met the requirements.

Here's the story.

I have had two divisions in Williamsburg, which is two regions from Richmond for more than two consecutive turns prior to the 1862/06/30 deadline. There are 16 units in this command, if I understand units correctly. From the manual:

“There are many types of units in the game representing anything from full divisions to independent artillery batteries or administrative staff (headquarters), but they all share the ability to be moved and be given orders individually if needed. This makes them the smallest elements in the game that you can manipulate, although they seldom operate alone and are usually grouped into forces”

The Williamsburg command is made up of 6 infantry brigades, 1 marine, 1 sharpshooter, 2 cavalry brigades and 6 artillery batteries plus 1 2-star and two 1-star generals. In addition there is a signal corps and two supply wagons which I don’t think count as units in this case. To be clear, I’m not counting elements, these are brigades and batteries.

Is something wrong with my understanding of how to count units, or how to count regions within two regions of Richmond? Do my units need to be in a region adjacent to Richmond?

Can send game files as I'm hosting, if necessary.

Much obliged.

[andatiep]

As far as i understood this new rule you should keep 2 DIFFERENT region , each within a range of 2 regions from Richmond. In this 2 regions, it should be at least during 2 turns a force of 10 elements, not counting the support units.

[gchristie]

Below are the release notes for ver, 1.15. The release notes for ver. 1.14, when the threaten Richmond event was changed to the new Army in Manassas event, indicates that one needs 10 units and the discussion on the forum when ver. 1.14 was released infered that this does not mean elements but brigades, although that question was not definitively answered. The question of what a unit meant came up when Deamonisos started a thread about the Souix Uprising event, and it seemed to me the consensus on that thread was that units were being counted to satisfy the event, not elements.

I have not found a reference to needing to occupy two regions both within two regions of Richmond, though. Nor can I find whether "within two regions" of Richmond requires being adjacent to Richmond or whether it allows for a region between Richmond and the Union forces. The word "within" sounds inclusive of being one or two regions from Richmond.

Perhaps Gray can clarify for us once again how this works, I hope. Sometimes I think trying to master the mechanics of this game is equivalent to grabbing hold of a greased pig.

AGEod's American Civil War Update 1.15
October, 19th 2009

59.) McClellan/McDowell and the new "Threaten Richmond" events in 1862:
a.) Two new "1862 Threaten Richmond" events created to add political pressure on the USA player to threaten Richmond in 1862. One event expires 1862/06/30. The other expires 1862/10/30.
b.) If you satisfy the "Threaten Richmond" requirements prior to the first expiration, there is no NM penalty at all for 1862.
c.) If you don't satisfy the "Threaten Richmond" requirements before the 1st expiration there is a 10 NM penalty.
d.) If you don't satisfy the "Threaten Richmond" requirements before the 2nd expiration there is another 10 NM penalty.
e.) McClellan or McDowell (depending on the Army In Manassas outcome) will remain activated "every" turn throughout the "1862 Threaten Richmond" period up until the 2nd expiration or the successful completion of the requirements whichever comes first.
f.) The 1862 "Threaten Richmond" events will be made optional once Pocus provides the on/off support capability.

AGEod's American Civil War Update 1.14 rc21
July, 8th 2009

Here is what one needed to do to satisfy the old “Threaten Richmond” event:
11.) Reworked 1861 USA Army in Virginia events. (Threaten Richmond)
a.) Must "threaten" Richmond with at least 10 or more units within 2 regions for at least 2 turns (not necessarily consecutive) or lose 10 National Morale.

[Gray_Lensman]

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[gchristie]

Clear and concise. Thank you Gray.

I went back to the early March 1862 turn and the event message says "Threaten Richmond (10 or more units within 2 regions for 2 turns by end of June 1862)"

I read "within 2 regions" to mean that Williamsburg would qualify as other events stipulate when units need to be adjacent to a region (General War Order Number 2 event plainly says one needs to keep 12 units adjacent to Washington, DC).

Does one need to have those 10 units in a region adjacent to Richmond, or would Williamsburg or any region one or two regions from Richmond satisfy the event?

And do artillery batteries or sharpshooter or marines count as units? Cause if they do i think I satisfied the event but got the NM whack.

Attached are save game files.

[gchristie]

Anyone experiencing this? Anyone have any advice? 10 NM is a big deal.

[arsan]

Hi!

According to this somewhat old (and maybe outdated) Gray's post, Williamsburg region is not one of the valid regions for the event
http://www.ageod-forum.com/showpost.php?p=115241&postcount=2
Don't know why
Cheers!

[gchristie]

Where would we be without you, Arsan?

The thread you found applies to the old threaten Richmond event which is now the Army in Manassas event of 1861. Here is the list Gray posted that satisfies the old Threaten Richmond event of 1861 and I've added the number of regions they are from Richmond :

Albemarle, VA - 2 regions
Spotsylvania, VA - 2 regions
Caroline, VA - 2 regions
King and Queen, VA -2 regions
Louisa, VA - 2 regions
Buckingham, VA - adjacent
Amherst, VA - 2 regions
Appomattox, VA - 2 regions
Henrico, VA - adjacent
Charles City, VA - adjacent
New Kent, VA - adjacent
Prince George, VA - 2 regions.

If this list also applies to the two new 1862 Threaten Richmond events I too wonder why Williamsburg doesn't count. It seems inconsistent.

[Gray_Lensman]

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[gchristie]

OK, so Williamsburg qualifies, I was there for at least three consecutive turns prior to the event expiration date, and I believe I had what amounts to 16 units. Why then did I take the 10 NM hit?

[Gray_Lensman]

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[gchristie]

Thanks for continuing to look into this.

I did read c) and d) above. That's why I wrote in my my original post:

"Here's the story.

I have had two divisions in Williamsburg, which is two regions from Richmond for more than two consecutive turns prior to the 1862/06/30 deadline."

Perhaps if I post the early June and late June 1862 turns you can see that I had the requisite number of units in a correct region for more than two consecutive turns prior to the 6.30.62 deadline.

We haven't progressed in our game to the second 1862 threaten Richmond deadline yet, so d) doesn't apply for now.

What additional information can I provide? Need more turns?

[Gray_Lensman]

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[arsan]

Note: Arsan... For later reference, this is not a technical support type of question/thread but rather a gameplay design question thread and as such the thread should be moved into one of the more applicable sub-forums, either the Main forum or the How_To_Improve_AACW sub-forum.

Hi Gray
I only have moderating powers on the spanish subforums.
Sorry, can't move anything from here

[Gray_Lensman]

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[gchristie]

Capice. December it is. Enjoy your break.