[PON] World In Conflict - General Discussion Thread

[PhilThib]

OOC: anyway, I'll be sending a mail out during the weekend as it seems only 4-5 players are submitting their orders each turn. Some players have not showed up in weeks (or once in a while pop up), others have clearly indicated they can't play anymore... this is may be time either to decide if the game will continue with new players to reprlace those who can't/don't want to go on, or if it is better to call it quit.

[Matto]

Hmm ... I missed when we restarted the game, but now I'm playing as it is possible (so not each day, but most of days). I would like to see continuation ... I can ask friends if they want replace inactive players

[Lindi]

OOC: anyway, I'll be sending a mail out during the weekend as it seems only 4-5 players are submitting their orders each turn. Some players have not showed up in weeks (or once in a while pop up), others have clearly indicated they can't play anymore... this is may be time either to decide if the game will continue with new players to reprlace those who can't/don't want to go on, or if it is better to call it quit.

I propose in this time, stop the game.

So Wait and See.

only 4-5 playeur is a bad new :

For me I prefer continue because in the situation now

you can see in futur a really fun World War

and many fight in Colony and with navy

Also for Italy I am the same idea of PhilThib, it's only for do the peace...


But continue only if the game have playeur and motive for that, it's a game not a work.

[Jim-NC]

BSA = Boy Scouts of America.

The issue is that we will most likely only have 4-5 players at a time. Even if we invite new players, some of them won't stay, and some of the originals will have to leave as well. This takes a commitment that a lot of players aren't willing to make.

I would like to see the game continue, but this is Phil's labor of love. It's up to him.

[bjfagan]

The peace terms have been demanded and expressed all over the place since weeks: Italy must accept white peace with Ottoman Empire, as required by Zürich treaties...that's all what the civilized community wanted and asks. Germany wants nothing out of this. But it seemed easier to the Italian government to ignore it, then abandon the fate of the country to unknown leadership (= AI) after having created all the mess in the first place. The pointlessness and goundlessness was in Rome with the failure to acknowledge international demands which were quite reasonable, as nothing was asked more than swallowing ill-placed pride and accept the situation when faced with a deadlock... it was probably easier to just do nothing and blame Athena for the poor final showing in the end...not counting the devastation and loss of investment that resulted.

Italy and Germany had very good relations before and during the Italo-Ottoman War. Germany even helped arm Italy in preparation for the war and knew of Italy's attack. To then suddenly turn on Italy without provocation was absurd. Germany basically chose the Ottomans over Italy as an ally in the Mediterranean, even though Italy maintained better relations and economic cooperation with Germany. Italy also helped Germany, really Prussia at the time, in their war of dominance over Austria. What did the Ottomans do to help Germany? Nothing! So, there was really no good reason or justification for Germany turning against Italy.

The statement that Italy should have accepted a white peace from the Zurich treaties, and was therefore punished because it did not, is just ludicrous. Why would any country that is modestly winning a war accept a peace deal that was being rammed down its throat? Especially when all the other European powers were acquiring spoils of war or enlarging their empires? This makes no sense in the world of European affairs of the day.

There really was no justification for Germany to attack Italy and obliterate its military in the manner that both Germany and Austria did. The only fault of Italy was not accepting a white peace, which does not give a casus belli for a DoW and subsequent punitive invasion. Especially by countries that had maintained friendly relations with Italy. I guess Italy was a much bigger threat to Germany than I thought. Being scared of little Italy is the only possible explanation for the war of annihilation that Germany unleashed on it.

BTW, Italy cannot request a white peace due to the limitations of the diplomacy module in the game. The peace would need to be implemented via a script or the other powers would need to send a white peace proposal.


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As for ending the game or not, I could go either way. Germany has obviously gained a dominant position that no other country (or player) is willing to contest. Great Britain is not going to maintain the balance of power in Europe and Russia is afraid of Germany too. France who is supposed to be antagonistic towards Germany is being as friendly as possible. Like I said earlier, I am surprised the two have not gotten married by now. Who is going to oppose Germany? No one. Hell Germany even attacks its friends just to prove a point. So Germany has won the game already.

Lindi said there is going to be a world war at some point in the future. Between whom, I ask? The real opportunity to form alliances or power blocs just happened, but Italy was crushed without so much as a word by the other powers. Russia is definitely not going to act alone and Great Britain will not either. I have a feeling this game is going to be nothing more than a colonial improvement game now.

[Lindi]

is only my opinion for futur I see that war (I prevent I am for peace not for war but I answer to question of bfagan)

France-Germany-Austria-Ottoman (in the World War you have only not France here)

VS

British-Russie-USA-JAPAN-ITALY (Maybe not for ITALY)

Japan because if I play Japan I see good objectif with colony of French and Germany in Asia

Neutral can change : Belgique-Netherlands-Spanish

So for me is very naval and colony war exception with Russia side, USA and British can move troope here for help.

That is my opinion for futur war, it's only a opinion. Is a war equal? not but AACW is a equal war no! xD

[Jim-NC]

I still have a question about the techs that are supposed to increase consumption. I just got the "scramble for gems/precious metals" event. My luxury goods consumption was 101 out of 156. After getting the tech, my luxury consumption is 101 out of 161. Thus I got a gain of 5 consumption points. The tooltip for the tech says a 10% increase in the base consumption of luxuries. I got a 5 point increase out of 156, which is approximately 3%. Nowhere near the 10% from the tool tip. Has anyone else been tracking this? I got the tech in the early November 1886 turn.

[Jonathan Pollard]

I still have a question about the techs that are supposed to increase consumption. I just got the "scramble for gems/precious metals" event. My luxury goods consumption was 101 out of 156. After getting the tech, my luxury consumption is 101 out of 161. Thus I got a gain of 5 consumption points. The tooltip for the tech says a 10% increase in the base consumption of luxuries. I got a 5 point increase out of 156, which is approximately 3%. Nowhere near the 10% from the tool tip. Has anyone else been tracking this? I got the tech in the early November 1886 turn.

Maybe the base amount used in the computation is the 1850 base, not the 1880 base. If the 1850 base is 50, then a 5 point increase is what should be expected.