bjfagan wrote:Due to increasing tensions between two close German allies, Russia and the Ottoman Empire, the German Government has decided to terminate our Defensive Alliances between both countries. This unilateral action will free the Germans from having to choose sides and enable neutral relations with both countries. Many countries of the former Entente and League of Free Nations will note this action has effectively ended the old Triple Alliance.
In order to take over the world, you need to take over China;
In order to take over China, you need to take over Korea, Taiwan, Hainan, Canton, and Shanghai.
If we succeed in conquering China, the rest of the Asiatic countries and the South Sea countries will fear us and surrender to us.
Then the world will realize that Eastern Asia is ours.
nemethand wrote:St Petersburg, Early Nov 1877
Last month, we heard about unfounded allegations by anynomous Ottoman sources about "Russian guns lent to Bulgarian freedom fighters" and "verbal insults by no-name Russian civil servants".
What we have here today is solid proof about the bloodthirstiness of the Ottoman soldiers against the weak, the poor and the undefended:
The Council of Ministers have been convened and the future course of action is still to be decided. But this much can be said: unless attrocities against Christians immediately cease and those responsible are brought before justice, there will be consequences.
Jonathan Pollard wrote:
As an example, the following excerpt from the Memorial is proof positive that Shanghai is a Japanese objective:
bjfagan wrote:The Barbarian Hordes of East Asia will never stop until they have devoured all of their objectives. Germany sincerely hopes the Netherlands is capable of helping China fend off the Japanese. For now, it appears China is alone.
nemethand wrote:Since the Ottomans have clearly refused to take any appropriate measures to both prevent further attrocities against faithful Christian subjects as well as to effectively punish those being responsible for such injustice, a state of war exists now between the Empire of Russia and the Ottoman Empire.
/s/ Alexandr II,
Czar and Autocrat of All the Russias
Citizen X wrote:Istanbul, Derâliye, Late November 1877
As we have always said, the Russians are beyond reason. Neither have they ever responded to our numerous offers, nor have they ever made any suggestion or put forth any claim. Neither had there ever been proof to back up their allegations.
We trust into the international community to firmly step up against this barbaric aggression and brutalization of an innocent nation, which is clearly aimed to achieve dominion over mankind and civilisation.
However, the Sultan in his wisdom and peaceableness is still open to negotiations.
Midhat Pasha, First Minister
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Hell, no! After thinking about it... Ottomans might soon be up for grabs.
Having a hillariuosly outnumbered and outdated military and almost no industry and getting a DOW after 10 turns by several nations including one of the leading nations is not quite an invitation. And absolutly no fun. Had I known that you were going to play this out no matter what I wouldnt have put effort into OE. I was ready to take the challenge of a country so down as this. Thus I offered a diplomatic gameplay to play out the Bulgarian crisis AND get me some time to make this country at least a playable nation. So that everybody could have his fun and I wouldn't need to claim a "spawn protection" of several years which by all means this OE needs, no matter whats been said about it.
Now this DOW, wich will set me back even further and will, if played out, strip me of the rest of my army (which the balcan minors alone nearly match me, given the amount and the equipment of their combined armies) and of a considerable amount of my land and resources. And industry, because my predecessors not only chose to dismantle several factories but also put the one's they built into the bulgarian area, heaven know's why.
This is no fun. Had this situation arised from my misjudgement in the last gameyears or all gameyears I would face it without a hint of complaint. But being encouraged into sticking with it and then getting gangbanged makes me feel abused (oun intended).
Btw. Asking me under these circumstances whether I was "the man" pisses me off big time with all that in mind. I am experienced enough in playing the OE to know what it can accomplish and what not and how it can or should look like in 1877. And actually you can't know if I am a man at all.
Last let me ask you a favour should anybody answer this. Don't come to me with history. I am all into historic gaming and often take the odd countries. But if a chance to alter the historic course is not intended I rather watch a movie.
bjfagan wrote:So, does this mean you are quitting?
Citizen X wrote:Just had to vent my frustration. I am sticking with Colombia, of course . OE isn't worthwhile in this game. I simply can't make up for what happened with it in the last 27 gameyears, it is too far behind Note that everything cost more and takes longer to get built, so it will take 10 - 15 years till it stands on its own feet. Gonna send in a gamefile tonight nonetheless. I might still proof myself wrong. But I doubt it. Also I am waiting on the claims or suggestions from the Russian government.
Kensai wrote:The crisis of 1877-78 was a major upheaval in the real life as well. It was the first of the attempts from the Balkan nations to get their independence. I sincerely ask you to reconsider and think about minimizing the losses as well as making arrangements with other great powers so this war is small and swift. The Ottoman Empire is in a very strategic location and I believe many nations (especially the great powers) will have good reasons to keep it intact and on their side. A "Muslim block" of nations such as Turkey, Egypt, Persia, Oman, etc could be formidable under a crafty Ottoman player. I know it is difficult, but it can be done. You simply need to be patient. I think that the Russian involvement in this war is mainly (as per history) to create the independent state of Bulgaria, I seriously doubt it has more wargoals than that.
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