[PON] Conflict in Europe - Diplomacy & News Thread

[Citizen X]

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY Seeks Commercial Coal Agreement with Other Nations

AUSTRIAN industrialists are searching for partners to assist them in expanding coal production in the home areas. We seek nations to build coal mines in our nation helping us to move forward in this great era. We would then be willing to buy out our partners in the future for a fee.

Signed,
The AUSTRIAN Coal Conservatory Commission
"Coal runs the world!"

(OOC - I am looking for someone to build a mine in AUSTRIA, that I can then purchase off of them - paying a fee for the service of course).






Sorry Jim, couldn't resist!

EDIT: Are you guys going to vote on the proposal to eliminate the coal mine limits?

Can someone give a new player a heads up on why this is necessary? You have less coalmines in your building pool than you you have resources on the map?

[lukasberger]

Can someone give a new player a heads up on why this is necessary? You have less coalmines in your building pool than you you have resources on the map?

That's it.

[Kensai]

Hills out of Nagasaki, Japan, April 1877

THE LEGEND OF TAKAMORI AND THE OTHER SAMURAI RINGLEADERS IS OVER

The last vestiges of the Kagoshima revolutionaries were apprehended or killed in the hills near the town of Nagasaki. They tried to take advantage of the spring rain to hide, to no avail. The imperial cavalry found them and eliminated the internal threat once and for all. Saigo Takamori was not found alive. We are not certain if he was killed by a stray bullet or committed suicide; it was almost certain after the first few days of the insurrection that they had no chances whatsoever in the new era. It is sad to see one of the most glorious and capable Japanese Generals, one that even helped institute the Chrysanthemum throne and bounce the German aggression, go rogue. The Home Lord has asked the institution of a new military medal to honor the dead and the alive in this struggle: we are ONE nation. The Emperor also personally asked to promote the cousin of Takamori (another General going by the family name of Saigo) to Field Marshal.



Northern Korea, April 1877

BEFORE THE SNOW MELTS, WE SHOULD GET THEM ALL

The Chinese army is still hiding in the desolate frozen mountains and hills of Northern Korea with nowhere to hide. Our Marshals have orders to attack them relentlessly until they all surrender or perish. China so far has offered 3-year reparations and the protectorate of Bhutan. Bhutan? But why should we be interested in a small landlocked colonial region when we desire the resource-rich Korean peninsula? In other news, the Japanese High Command was finally convinced of the utility of better ship designs to rule the regional waters. We have finally accepted the "Battleship Theory". Extra funds are given to the Imperial Technical Schools to find ways to implement the new developments in a modern ship: the battleship! What a coincidence, a few hundred years ago we were defeated by the Koreans by a similarly well-armored ship.

[Kensai]

Can someone give a new player a heads up on why this is necessary? You have less coalmines in your building pool than you you have resources on the map?

Let me remind you that there is a different "productivity" when you build a structure in a resource "source" that has only 1x availability, in respect to one that has say 2x or more of it. The more it has, the more productive will be your structure. The resources of the map were designed independently of the countries and their pools. Structure and force pools abstract the ability of a nation (at a certain point in its history) to promote a policy of industrial or military expansion. The pools change according to technologies invented and leader attributes.

[Jim-NC]

Can someone give a new player a heads up on why this is necessary? You have less coalmines in your building pool than you you have resources on the map?

Most of the major powers have run out of mines we can build for coal. Thus, although we want/need more coal (depending on who you ask), we have no ways to add to our domestic production. There are 2 options buy or convince others to invest for you. If you look at the commerce overview (B screen), you will notice that the demand is much higher than the available supply. Thus the search for more coal.


The British Government will be on Holiday for the next 2 weeks investigating Universities. (OOC - I will not be able to post orders for the next turn - due Fri 5/10).

[Kensai]

It is really interesting that I, as Japan, am a long way from reaching my max structure and force pools as I tend to be very slow in expansion. Not to brag about anything, but this helps to have the national economy and pop needs under control. I don't understand guys why you all rushed to maximize your economies before even reaching the mid of the game (1885). If you recall, that maximization had thrown the prices way low and created an overabundance that made the population grow very fast, bringing consumption up probably even faster. To that helps the state of developed colonies. Anyway, the structure pools get even higher by future techs, the same applies to coal extraction policies. In the meantime, STOP expanding, stop the least efficient enterprises (factories, etc), lower taxes (so contentment will not fall quickly even if you don't deliver all goods to people and you don't make too much money to spark crises), trade a lot while keeping few reserves to stimulate smaller economies buy stuff and make the world go round.

[Jim-NC]

It doesn't help that several nations have gone through changes in leadership. We each have a different perspective on what we want/need to do to make our nation strong, and that is not always the same as what the person before us did.

[Jim-NC]

Britain Annexes the Transvaal:

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[Kensai]

Athens, Greece, June 1877

NEXT CLASS FORWARD

We do not consider the Ottomans enemies. We have buried the hatchet many years ago. Nonetheless, the recent expiration of the Russian occupation in the Balkans has given back the Sultan the ability to decide the future of the oppressed Balkan people. Under a royal act, the next class of conscripts has been asked to come forward in an effort to beef up our armed forces. We shall be observing if the Sultan is indeed the guarantor of the Balkans, especially the Bulgarians who have suffered a lot in the past!

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PS. See, Sir Garnet? Smaller nations might not have fortress units, but the actions (which were designed for larger nations) are overpowered when played. The conscripts Greece got was a greater surge than you would get for Russia, proportionally.

[Citizen X]

Athens, Greece, June 1877

NEXT CLASS FORWARD

We do not consider the Ottomans enemies. We have buried the hatchet many years ago. Nonetheless, the recent expiration of the Russian occupation in the Balkans has given back the Sultan the ability to decide the future of the oppressed Balkan people. Under a royal act, the next class of conscripts has been asked to come forward in an effort to beef up our armed forces. We shall be observing if the Sultan is indeed the guarantor of the Balkans, especially the Bulgarians who have suffered a lot in the past!

The Sublime Port wishes to express His Imperial Majesty's, Sultan Abdulhamid II., disappoinment for the latest communiqué of His Majesty, King George I.. Here we see Our fears justified, that the London Protocoll of 1830 will only lead to trouble on the Balcans. Our rule has always been a stabilizing factor in an unstable region and will always be.
Thus we declare our deep adherence to the Greek people, both inside and outside our borders. We wish them no harm and therefor want to truly beleive that their last aggressive step was only the display of an ill willing but nonetheless small minority that has the king's ear.
As a display of our peaceful intentions we are not going to answer the Greek measures with idem action. We, at the contrary put our faith into political means as We have done ever in the case of the unrightful administration of Our possesssions in the Mediterranean.
We are calling on the protectors of international right and trade to find the right answer and solution to the current unprovoked measures of the Greek government, especially on our allies, His Imperial Majesty Wilhelm I., His Imperial Majesty Alexander II., His Royal Majesty Vittorio Emmanule II., His Royal Majesty Nasser al-Din and Bey Ismail Pasha.
We recall to Our allies the fact that we guarantee stable relations in the region, lately displayed by the prosecution of Bulgarian bandits who are indeed a severe plague to the subjects of His Imperial Majesty. We conduct to carry this plight despite the harmful burdens and wreckages that had been put upon Us in the past 27 years.
Should Our measures to restore peace to the people of Rumelia in some very few cases have interfered with possions of of Our esteemed neighbors, those responsible will be prosecuted and the injured party be compensated as possible by the means of a fraught country, because Our mind is set on peace.

[Kensai]

(awesome roleplaying, can't wait to see how this unfolds in the future...)

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OOC, obviously, but ultimately the Chinese troops did run out of supplies in Korea. I simply had to keep the regions that I conquered at least a couple of turns with a majority of MC so the throughput was blocked. Eventually the Chinese army ran out of it and started fighting really badly. They have been surrendering in droves these past two months in every little confrontation. They were crafty, retreating into regions I obviously had less power but I outsmarted them by keeping huge forces in all potential retreat avenues... in real terms: imagine the disintegrating Chinese expeditionary force fighting in the mountains of Korea without any real possibility to save themselves. To this helped the Russian Empire which did not allow passage rights to them.

IC: We thank the Czar's government for that!

[Sir Garnet]

PS. See, Sir Garnet? Smaller nations might not have fortress units, but the actions (which were designed for larger nations) are overpowered when played. The conscripts Greece got was a greater surge than you would get for Russia, proportionally.

Smaller countries might be expected to overraise troops to try to reduce the odds, though few went as far as Paraguay. There should be definite costs and consequences depending on how the effort fares.

Smaller countries do have fortress countries. It is just Latin America that was tail-end Charlie in army creation work (appropriately so, since there are no playable countries in the scenario design and few events so it is basically a resource area by design and circumstance). They are, however, among the countries most likely to raise low-mobility forces for political, financial and strategic reasons.

I think I'll offer a prize of some kind for a Latin American garrison forces script developed along the lines explained by Pocus, if that is OK with management.

[coolbean]

Railroad strike broken by Federal troops:



Also, President Hayes has been seated as President of the United States of America!




My worst fears are confirmed... Congress is doomed to give -1 in every stat for eternity... I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

[lukasberger]

My worst fears are confirmed... Congress is doomed to give -1 in every stat for eternity... I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

Ouch. It could be worse though, you could be the OE.

[Citizen X]

His Imperial Majesty, Sultan Abdülhamid II., is deeply saddened and concerned by the ongoing fighting in the realms of the Nile. It hurts us, that the brothers we have sworn allegiance to, are in conflict with each other. We are therefore calling the struggeling sides to come to the threefold Holy City of Jerusalem on Monday, the 29th August 1877 or the 10. Scha'ban 1294 to attend a peace conference to solve our mutual issues and the arms to rest. We have a set of suggestions in mind that both parties might want to listen to.

By agreeing to attend to the conference, as a trust-building measure, the parties in conflict should agree to an armistice, starting on this very day, for as long as the conference lasts. No military actions on land or water shall be undertaken in Egypt by then, including Sudan.

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[Kensai]

coolbean, Congresses change too. Future Congresses can be better. This is definitely not for eternity, unless the ruler stats database is bugged.

[bjfagan]

The German Government welcomes the new initiative of our Ottoman friends to find peace in this war started by the Egyptians. Germany is more than happy to attend the peace conference in Jerusalem. Our terms are the transfer of Suez to German control. We will suspend military operations in Egypt, however, we cannot end operations in the Sudan since this area has no Egyptian troops in it and is a German colony at present.

[Lindi]

New of resistance in Egypt

The Ottoman is always a Friend for Egypt, so all leader of resistance in Egypt accept to talk in Holy City of Jerusalem, but the answer for give Suez to Germany is always no. I no attack Germany in my own but I no stop mouvement because the resistance need live for continue defence own territory.

[Kensai]

(one clarification: you mean the region of Suez goes to Egypt and the structure of the canal goes to Germany, or something else?)

[Lindi]

(one clarification: you mean the region of Suez goes to Egypt and the structure of the canal goes to Germany, or something else?)

The structure is always the property of Germany so here are talk about Region.

[Citizen X]

The Sublime Port is very content that our brothers have agreed to let the weapons be quit for now.

We are ready to declare and garantee the Peace of Jerusalem. We know, that our suggestions will hurt both parties and therefor might be good suggestions.
Without having the details carved in stone we call our beloved brothers to think about the following carefully. Take the time, that great decisions need.

1. The struggeling parties agree to transform the fighting into a mutual Defencive Alliance. The parties agree, that the region must be stabilized.

2. Prussia will leave the entire land of Egypt, including Sudan and Suez.

3. Egypt agrees to sell away Suez, city, region and canal. The price shall be paid in materials to build four industrial complexes and two coal mines, which Prussia will give the license out of their own lands recources.

4. The Ottoman Empire agrees to refund the Prussias a quarter of that sum untill August 1882.

5. The Prussian Government agrees to establish a fleet command in Suez to keep the waterstreets around the Arabian Peninsula open for all three parties, Egypt, the Ottoman Empire and Prussia. The Ottoman Empire agrees to do the same for the Eastern Meditarranean and have the buildup ready until August 1890. Egypt shall not have a fleet outside the River Nile.

6. Should Prussia need any cotton in the future, they agree to preferebly buy it from Egypt, provided they have any.


These are in general words our suggestions for a strong peace in that region. If any of the honorable emmissaries should have any questions on the intentions of theses agreements, they can always send us message.

[Kensai]

(that's some good mediation here, Ottoman Empire, way to go... btw, indeed, Egypt should be a major producer and trader of cotton for all the world, together with the USA)

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A telegram was sent to the Imperial Palace in Tokyo in the early hours of the 28th of August, 1877.

CHINESE EXPEDITIONARY FORCES IN KOREA CEASED TO POSE A THREAT. LAST KNOWN ELEMENTS CAPTURED OR SURRENDERED INCLUDING HIGH RANKING OFFICERS. KOREA HAS BEEN PACIFIED. 10000 YEARS TO EMPEROR MEIJI.

FIELD MARSHAL ARITOMO

[Lindi]

New of Italy


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[Savoyard]

When is the scripted alien invasion?

[Kensai]

We can always script in an unneeded model of a unit which we can customize the image file to show them "gray" and "bighead"...

[Citizen X]

Here the Ottoman Empire sets proof to the fact how much it is needed to maintain peace in the Balkans. Unlike alien propaganda, who wants to convice the world of "turkish atrocities against civilians", the Bulgarian brigands were armed quite well. They even fielded artillery. Artillery, as we might add, of Russian origin.

[Citizen X]

We, the Ottoman Empire, announce that today our embassador to Russia has been gravely insulted at a ball at the house of Leonid Tolstoi, where the Russian underassistant vicesecretary of the ministal of the exterior has called him an illiterate sheepdriver.
This in the clear attempt to create a casus belli on us and to provoke us into war.

Despite that we are a peaceful nation who is looking for a diplomatic solution to this crisis, we are calling our allies to arms and advise them to mobilize their reserves. As well as every peaceful nation is called now to put a stop to the warmongering Russian bears, before the bloodshed has even begun.

[Jonathan Pollard]

We, the Ottoman Empire, announce that today our embassador to Russia has been gravely insulted at a ball at the house of Leonid Tolstoi, where the Russian underassistant vicesecretary of the ministal of the exterior has called him an illiterate sheepdriver.
This in the clear attempt to create a casus belli on us and to provoke us into war.

Actually, in the Russian language if you want to insult someone by calling him a barbarian or uncultured person, you would call him a "Turk." At least that's what one of my relatives in Russia did.

[Citizen X]

Actually, in the Russian language if you want to insult someone by calling him a barbarian or uncultured person, you would call him a "Turk." At least that's what one of my relatives in Russia did.

There you go :P

[bjfagan]

The Sublime Port is very content that our brothers have agreed to let the weapons be quit for now.

We are ready to declare and garantee the Peace of Jerusalem. We know, that our suggestions will hurt both parties and therefor might be good suggestions.
Without having the details carved in stone we call our beloved brothers to think about the following carefully. Take the time, that great decisions need.

1. The struggeling parties agree to transform the fighting into a mutual Defencive Alliance. The parties agree, that the region must be stabilized.

2. Prussia will leave the entire land of Egypt, including Sudan and Suez.

3. Egypt agrees to sell away Suez, city, region and canal. The price shall be paid in materials to build four industrial complexes and two coal mines, which Prussia will give the license out of their own lands recources.

4. The Ottoman Empire agrees to refund the Prussias a quarter of that sum untill August 1882.

5. The Prussian Government agrees to establish a fleet command in Suez to keep the waterstreets around the Arabian Peninsula open for all three parties, Egypt, the Ottoman Empire and Prussia. The Ottoman Empire agrees to do the same for the Eastern Meditarranean and have the buildup ready until August 1890. Egypt shall not have a fleet outside the River Nile.

6. Should Prussia need any cotton in the future, they agree to preferebly buy it from Egypt, provided they have any.


These are in general words our suggestions for a strong peace in that region. If any of the honorable emmissaries should have any questions on the intentions of theses agreements, they can always send us message.

These conditions are rather harsh, considering the Egyptian DoW on Germany and the near total occupation of Egypt by German forces. We do not understand why we would vacate Suez, then turn bid on purchasing the territory. Please propose something more reasonable.

In addition, please further explain #3 in regards to German licensing of lands and resources. Germany will agree to work towards a DA but not an immediate imposition of a treaty. Germany will agree to pull troops from the Sudan but will not vacate Suez.