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Gouverneur K. Warren

Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:22 pm

I see an entry for a George K Warren in the Union Army. Is this a reference to Gouverneur K. Warren?

USA George K. Warren ldr_USA_Warren2 NULL NULL NULL NULL 4 4 2 33 General 1 NULL 3 3 4
USA George K. Warren ldr_USA_Warren NULL NULL NULL NULL 4 4 1 26 General 1 NULL 3 3 4

Govenerneur Warren was chief engineer in the Army of the Potomac, so he should certainly get the "Engineer" trait.

You might also consider giving him the "Signal_Cmd" trait, in homage to his work getting troops to Little Round Top on the second day of The Battle of Gettysburg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouvenor_K._Warren

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Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:04 pm

Should we give him the Slow mover ability? He was relieved from Commandby Sheridan and Grant to due to his overcautious attitude.
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:06 am

no... it seems as if everybody is getting either the slow mover or over cautious trait... and while he was slow post gettysburg, he certainly wasn't slow @ little round top

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Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:21 am

Korrigan wrote:Should we give him the Slow mover ability? He was relieved from Commandby Sheridan and Grant to due to his overcautious attitude.


When he finally got a court of inquiry 14 years after the war he was exonerated of the charges. Unfortunately he died 3 months before the verdict.Overcautious might be a better fit in his case. Grant had considered him too cautious even before the five forks incident, that's why he allowed Sheridan to remove him. I agree that he should get engineer.

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Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:39 am

The fact that many Union commanders get Slow_Mover, Over_cautious etc. can be a good thing, it can be one of the factor that can lead to the realistic result of Union Armies procrastinating in the first part of the war. Your thoughts?
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:47 am

frank7350 wrote:no... it seems as if everybody is getting either the slow mover or over cautious trait... and while he was slow post gettysburg, he certainly wasn't slow @ little round top



Overcautious: Give command point penalty. Warren did not show any problem in commands at Little round top and this would be counter thematic with Signal_cmd that give Command points bonus.

Slow mover: Give move malus.


I think Warren was an excellent commander and his troops were very well organised. However, I think sometimes organisation is the ennemy of quick reaction, that's why I suggest slow mover.

Unless Pocus can easily come with a new ability that give malus to the "comiting time", hence Warren could be there in time for the battle but his troops might join too late to the battle.
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:56 am

the offensive/defensive rating is used for the check. Yes, this is a simplification, but we have to do some.
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:27 am

OK, what about this proposition then:

USA [color="darkred"]Gouverneur[/color] K. Warren ldr_USA_Warren2 $Engineer $Signal_Cmd $Slow_Mover 4 4 2 33 General 1 NULL [color="red"]3 2 5[/color]
USA [color="DarkRed"]Gouverneur[/color] K. Warren ldr_USA_Warren [color="Red"]$Engineer $Signal_Cmd [/color]NULL NULL 4 4 1 26 General 1 NULL [color="red"]4 2 5[/color]

Rational: All of Warren's success were defensive battles. His action is mainly discussed when it comes to move and manoeuver agressivly his II corps.
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:58 am

ok...with that explanation, it makes sense...

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Ok
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USA Gouverneur K. Warren ldr_USA_Warren2 $Defensiv_Engineer $Signal_Cmd $Slow_Mover 4 4 2 33 General 1 NULL 2 2 4
USA Gouverneur K. Warren ldr_USA_Warren $Defensive_Engineer $Signal_Cmd NULL NULL 4 4 1 26 General 1 NULL 3 2 4
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