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Stonewall
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Are All Union Leaders Being Added Correctly?

Wed May 23, 2007 5:07 am

I'm having a severe leader shortage as the Union. I seem to be missing a lot of low level divisional leaders. I've scoured the files and can't seem to find where they are added. The list is huge. Something like 20 I've found so far.

Anyone else having this problem? Am I imagining it?

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Wed May 23, 2007 6:25 am

If this turns out being another game with a "leader bug," I'm gonna pull out a knife and shoot myself.

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Wed May 23, 2007 6:28 am

I think there is a leader list as pdf included with the game which lists also the date of appearance, so you could check if they are all there.



Edit:
[...]The list is huge. Something like 20 I've found so far.[...]

If you were referring to that list just forget what I said. :p

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Wed May 23, 2007 6:35 am

bring the issue to PhilThib in this case, he will tell you if this is normal.
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Wed May 23, 2007 10:41 am

pasternakski wrote:If this turns out being another game with a "leader bug," I'm gonna pull out a knife and shoot myself.


Don't tell me those warrant officers were that bad;-).
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Wed May 23, 2007 2:19 pm

pasternakski wrote:If this turns out being another game with a "leader bug," I'm gonna pull out a knife and shoot myself.


:tournepas

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Stonewall
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Wed May 23, 2007 9:36 pm

I just ran a hands off game (I played both sides and immediately ended the turn) and the following Union leaders never appeared.

Asboth - 564
Ayres - 588
Barnes - 587
Berry - 545
Blenker - 563
Caldwell - 584
Clarke - 592
Crawford - 589
Davidson - 577
Devens - 571
Dix - 547
Dodge - 373
Food - 591
Foster - 548
Fry - 596
Geary - 572
Gregg - 573
Griffin - 565
Hamilton - 544
Hanson - 593
Hays - 586
Herron - 530
Howe - 567
Humphreys - 566
Hurlburt - 558
Johnson - 575
Kilpatrick - 360
Martson - 585
McArthur - 568
McCall - 557
Morell - 556
Negley - 578
Nelson - 559
Pearson - 377
Pratt - 570
Rousseau - 550
Schenk - 552 + 562
Shields - 555
Smith - 583
Streight - 384
van Cleve - 582
Veatch - 576
von Steinwehr - 574
Whipple - 546
Willich - 381
Wood - 560
Wright - 590


I confirmed this by searching for these leaders in the various game event and scenario files. They are not present in the game.

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Wed May 23, 2007 10:14 pm

Stonewall wrote:I just ran a hands off game (I played both sides and immediately ended the turn) and the following Union leaders never appeared.

Asboth - 564
Ayres - 588
Barnes - 587
Berry - 545
Blenker - 563
Caldwell - 584
Clarke - 592
Crawford - 589
Davidson - 577
Devens - 571
Dix - 547
Dodge - 373
Food - 591
Foster - 548
Fry - 596
Geary - 572
Gregg - 573
Griffin - 565
Hamilton - 544
Hanson - 593
Hays - 586
Herron - 530
Howe - 567
Humphreys - 566
Hurlburt - 558
Johnson - 575
Kilpatrick - 360
Martson - 585
McArthur - 568
McCall - 557
Morell - 556
Negley - 578
Nelson - 559
Pearson - 377
Pratt - 570
Rousseau - 550
Schenk - 552 + 562
Shields - 555
Smith - 583
Streight - 384
van Cleve - 582
Veatch - 576
von Steinwehr - 574
Whipple - 546
Willich - 381
Wood - 560
Wright - 590


I confirmed this by searching for these leaders in the various game event and scenario files. They are not present in the game.


Having completed my fourth April GC game, I can confirm most of your list of Union generals not appearing. In my last game I kept playing until may 1865 to see what events would happen.

I have received Streight (Lightning Mule Bde), Willich (Horn Bde) and Kilpatrick in every game and possibly Dodge in one of my earlier games. The leaders numbered in the 300's appear to be OK, but I have never seen any of the 500 numbered leaders.
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Thu May 24, 2007 1:27 am

Le Ricain wrote:Having completed my fourth April GC game, I can confirm most of your list of Union generals not appearing. In my last game I kept playing until may 1865 to see what events would happen.

I have received Streight (Lightning Mule Bde), Willich (Horn Bde) and Kilpatrick in every game and possibly Dodge in one of my earlier games. The leaders numbered in the 300's appear to be OK, but I have never seen any of the 500 numbered leaders.


You're right. I went back through and located those guys attached to their brigades, but the people in the 500's are definitely missing.

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Thu May 24, 2007 3:35 am

There are some leaders who are 'generic' like M. Bonham, D. Hunter or T. Runyan whose first name isn't in the game, and are not listed on the leaders .pdf file. I'm guessing you've found the generic leaders, who are not scripted to appear.

The role of 'generic' leaders is unclear to me. Perhaps they are in there for possible inclusion as replacements for casualties at some point.

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Thu May 24, 2007 10:07 am

Yes, they are too 'generic' to be added in the leader's list, it's just for chrome...

Most of the leaders are in the DB 'just in case' we may need some. A lot are present as generic leaders in only some campaigns and not others. For sure, 90% of them will NOT show up in a GC...I just lacked time and ressource to search and add them whenever required :p leure: .

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