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Liverpool Rams in North Carolina

Tue May 15, 2007 11:09 am

Sept 1863: Message arrives "The Two Liverpool Rams --- CSS Scorpion and CSS Wyvern are Under Construction in Great Britain" or some such.

I check the GB box: Nope, not there.

Search around a bit, and come across them in Wilmington, NC. Locked down, but fully built, and "available in 2 turns".

Now, am I correct in assuming these two riverine ironclads magically appear in the Continental US, because game mechanics don't allow them to sail across the Atlantic?
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Tue May 15, 2007 11:54 am

I can't answer your question but it made me take a look at the history.
For anyone that is interested :-

H.M.S. Wivern and H.M.S. Scorpion 1863 So-called "Laird Rams," iron-hulled, armored warships built for the Confederacy but never delivered. The construction and outfitting of these ships caused a major international dispute, which was only resolved when they were seized and taken into service by the British Royal Navy. With twin turrets, telescoping funnels and 3 to 4.5 inches (7.5 to 11.5cm) side armor, these ships (intended as C.S.S. Mississippi and C.S.S. North Carolina, respectively) were superior to any in the U.S. Navy at the time. Both remained in service with the Royal Navy until the 20th century.

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Tue May 15, 2007 2:09 pm

So, Pocus, you need to rename those units! You gave them their Limey names...

Does the CSS Stonewall show up as well?

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-us-cs/csa-sh/csash-sz/stonewll.htm

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Tue May 15, 2007 3:02 pm

Maybe they get renamed by an event when they are completed.

That would be some attention to detail :sourcil:

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Tue May 15, 2007 3:21 pm

historical data, events & scripts are more the work of PhilThib. :)
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Tue May 15, 2007 3:30 pm

This looks to be a fascinating book on the subject of Civil War Ironclad production...

http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Ironclads-Industrial-Mobilization/dp/0801868300

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Tue May 15, 2007 7:06 pm

So these are supposed to be the famous Laird rams? Need a little re-name then, as the "Liverpool Rams" title had me scratching my head.

Maybe them showing up in NC isn't so far off, after all. According to this site:

The Laird Rams

The original idea was to build the ships in a Southern port using the abundant local timber, and then ship all the metalwork and fittings over from England. In the event, that turned out to be too complicated a plan, and they were laid down in Liverpool England. Since the ships were ultimately seized by Her Majesties government, I guess just having them show up at all is a bit of a counter-factual. Another small discrepency is that the Laird Rams were ocean-going ironclads, so representing them as riverine units seems a bit limiting --- but there isn't really an blue-water ironclad in the game, is there?

So, yah, does this mean the CSS Stonewall will be available later?
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