One feature a day serie: #11 Promoting Generals

[Chris0827]

Ok, ok. I give up. Forget about whole thing.

Don't take it personally just because someone disagrees with your idea. Everyone has bad ideas at times. I'm not being unfriendly I just don't agree with you. I think that if you looked at what some of the main generals of the war did you would see that they moved around a lot more than you think. Most people think Lee was in Virginia the whole war. He wasn't.

[Pocus]

Marko, my apologize if you think I had an unfriendly tone. This is just that for now I disagree with your idea, but it don't means its a bad one, it is just that we see things differently. If Philippe think your idea is a great one, we can always see to add this as an option (given our time constraints).

cheers!

[Pocus]

truely the issue has a very blurry line... Take force pool for example, they allow some freedom to players, but won't allow the CSA to build 100 Ironclads, even if he has the resources.
The same thing can apply to generals. Should I be allowed to send Forrest to Louisiana, if my opponent dug-in in Washington and then move by sea all that he can to New Orleans (much more that what was sent historically). ?

And should the Union be allowed to do that? For some yes, for others no, its not historical after all, if the Army of the Potomac find itself in Louisiana! A line has to be drawn between historicity and freedom of action.

[marecone]

Ok guys. I am a bit jumpy this morning so take my apologies.
I didn't think that you should not allow the general to move between theatres. I just suggested that he gets some penalty. Philippe and I are on the same page as it seems to me. Like if let say Forrest would move east he would get 10% penalty on his stats as he doesn't know terrain there.

Also if this is to complicated or too much would it be possible to get generals where they had their first fight? Like if I get all my generals in Richmond, and I want to play as historically as I can, I have to think where did they fight and move them there. Now if you would implement this then I belive everybody would be happy. Us historical grognards would get general where he did fight for the first time and other players could just move them to some other location.

P.S. I like the idea for restricting sides in producing too much stuff like CSA producing 100 ironclads. Good call.

[Chris0827]

It would be strange to see the Army of the Potomac at New Orleans but Grants original command that became the Army of the Tennesse traveled farther than that. It stated in Missouri and either fought in or moved through Illinois,Kentucky, Tennesse, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and was near the Virginia border when the war ended. Of course Lincoln would insist on a large force near Washington. Some political rules would make sense. Losing victory points if Washington is not properly defended perhaps.

[Chris0827]

Ok guys. I am a bit jumpy this morning so take my apologies.
I didn't think that you should not allow the general to move between theatres. I just suggested that he gets some penalty. Philippe and I are on the same page as it seems to me. Like if let say Forrest would move east he would get 10% penalty on his stats as he doesn't know terrain there.

Also if this is to complicated or too much would it be possible to get generals where they had their first fight? Like if I get all my generals in Richmond, and I want to play as historically as I can, I have to think where did they fight and move them there. Now if you would implement this then I belive everybody would be happy. Us historical grognards would get general where he did fight for the first time and other players could just move them to some other location.

P.S. I like the idea for restricting sides in producing too much stuff like CSA producing 100 ironclads. Good call.

I'd say generals showing up in their home state would make the most sense. Many started as generals in their own state's militia before joining the US and CS armies. I can see a temporary penalty for fighting in a new theater but not a permanent one. If I send general Lee to Tennessee in 1862 It's understandable if he takes some time to get used to his new command but I can't see him still having a penalty in 1864.

[marecone]

Ok. It seems we are getting somewhere now . It is up to AGEOD team now.

[Director]

President Davis asked Lee to go west several times and Lee politely refused to volunteer and thereby challenged Davis to issue a formal order. Had Davis taken decisive action with Bragg after Stones River and the retreat to Chattanooga, it is possible that Longstreet or Lee would have taken the command. J Johnston, who had 'reviewed' Bragg's command for Davis, refused to supplant Bragg (despite having overall command in the west). Davis tried to get Lee to take it, or to offer up a corps commander for the job and Lee was polite but firm: he would not go unless ordered. Davis thought about sending him anyway, I think, but finally took no action. A 'trade' that promoted Lee to overall command in the West and returned Johnston to the ANV could have worked well though it is hard to see Johnston commanding at Gettysburg.

Lee also fought in the west (over the Appalachians) in West Virginia in his first combat command of the war. Longstreet, Johnston, Hood and others fought in both theaters, as did Hooker, Grant, Sherman, Burnside and other Union generals.

If you want to restrict your generals to one theater, make a 'house rule' and follow that. For myself, don't care for the idea.

[Chris0827]

President Davis asked Lee to go west several times and Lee politely refused to volunteer and thereby challenged Davis to issue a formal order. Had Davis taken decisive action with Bragg after Stones River and the retreat to Chattanooga, it is possible that Longstreet or Lee would have taken the command. J Johnston, who had 'reviewed' Bragg's command for Davis, refused to supplant Bragg (despite having overall command in the west). Davis tried to get Lee to take it, or to offer up a corps commander for the job and Lee was polite but firm: he would not go unless ordered. Davis thought about sending him anyway, I think, but finally took no action. A 'trade' that promoted Lee to overall command in the West and returned Johnston to the ANV could have worked well though it is hard to see Johnston commanding at Gettysburg.

Lee also fought in the west (over the Appalachians) in West Virginia in his first combat command of the war. Longstreet, Johnston, Hood and others fought in both theaters, as did Hooker, Grant, Sherman, Burnside and other Union generals.

If you want to restrict your generals to one theater, make a 'house rule' and follow that. For myself, don't care for the idea.

Lee was also the commander of the Dept. of South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida from Nov 1861 to march 1862. If Joe Johnston hadn't been wounded at Seven Pines there was a very good chance Lee would've been sent west.

[Director]

An excellent point.

[marecone]

Would this be too much to make it an option? Or perhaps leave it so we can easily mod it?

Thank you