There must be some way out of here

[Unionforever]

I've just installed 1.07 over 1.06d and have noticed that my naval yards have built gunboats and river transports on the shores of Lake Michigan. The finished units then cannot exit the lake. Is there any way out or some way to stop building riverine units there that you need on the Ohio, the Tennessee and the Mississippi rivers?

[Rafiki]

Just send the ships ovet to Lake Erie, and from there through the Erie and Ohio canal onto the Mississippi river system.

Note that there is a small bug in 1.07 that closes the Erie canal, but I have no doubt it till be fixed in an update for 1.07 which I'd be surprised if we had to wait any long for, and there's also been posted a "do-it-yourself" fix elsewhere in these forums.

In any case, since I see that you're making your first post; welcome to the forums!

EDIT: Here's the DIY fix: http://www.ageod-forum.com/showpost.php?p=46392&postcount=62

[Unionforever]

Thanks. That did it. Now all I have to do is wait for winter to end so I can get out of Lake Erie.

[gap10]

Why is it when I read the title of this thread that I can't get Jimi Hendrix out of my head.....

[jimkehn]

Yeah......or the last episode of Battlestar Galactica.

[pasternakski]

Why is it when I read the title of this thread that I can't get Jimi Hendrix out of my head.....

Been listening to the joker talking to the thief again, have you? I dunno. I always preferred Dylan's original, because Hendrix's intonations gave me the troubling impression that he didn't understand the lyrics...

[D_K]

i try and "drag and drop" ships out of lake erie to the river and it doesnt seem to work

did you say there is a fix for this?

[dutch81]

I can confirm that this works now works correctly in 1.07b ... but you must remember to dock first in the harbor of where the canal is located then move into the rivers. As long as you do this no problem if you try to have the computer figure out a path from Chicago into the river system it will not be able to do so.

So that begs the question will a Union AI be able to figure this out in a game?

[AndrewKurtz]

I can confirm that this works now works correctly in 1.07b ... but you must remember to dock first in the harbor of where the canal is located then move into the rivers. As long as you do this no problem if you try to have the computer figure out a path from Chicago into the river system it will not be able to do so.

So that begs the question will a Union AI be able to figure this out in a game?

Interesting. I didn't have to do this. I just moved mine to Pittsburgh without moving them elsewhere first.

[Rafiki]

Indeed. You don't need to "check in" to get to enter the canal

[Malagant]

I've had similar problems with 'River Ironclads' build in PA (me expecting them in Pittsburgh) show up in Philidelphia. The path-finding attempts to run them around Florida and up the Mississippi. Is there a 'safer' route from Philly?

[Le Ricain]

I've had similar problems with 'River Ironclads' build in PA (me expecting them in Pittsburgh) show up in Philidelphia. The path-finding attempts to run them around Florida and up the Mississippi. Is there a 'safer' route from Philly?

Welcome to the forum.

When I have received Ironclads and Gunboats in Philly rather than Pittsburgh, I have just used them as part of my brown water blockade.

[Malagant]

Thanks for the welcome and the answer, however the problem persists.

Is there a way to safely get from the East Coast without going through the mouth of the Mississippi?

If not, why are my river ships built in ocean ports?

Welcome to the forum.

When I have received Ironclads and Gunboats in Philly rather than Pittsburgh, I have just used them as part of my brown water blockade.

[Le Ricain]

Thanks for the welcome and the answer, however the problem persists.

Is there a way to safely get from the East Coast without going through the mouth of the Mississippi?

If not, why are my river ships built in ocean ports?

No, the only way to get from the East Coast to the Mississippi River system is through the mouth of the Mississippi.

River ships being built in ocean ports is a bug. The way to avoid it is to avoid building river ships in PA. In my games when I get a river ship showing up in a coastal port, I view it as an effect of the government awarding contracts to the lowest bidder .

[Rafiki]

Thanks for the welcome and the answer, however the problem persists.

Is there a way to safely get from the East Coast without going through the mouth of the Mississippi?

If not, why are my river ships built in ocean ports?

A bug indeed, but one that I thought had been fixed previously? If you don't mind me asking; Which patch are you using?

(Just to make sure if it's still a problem or not)

[Le Ricain]

A bug indeed, but one that I thought had been fixed previously? If you don't mind me asking; Which patch are you using?

(Just to make sure if it's still a problem or not)

Rafiki,

Using 1.07b, I received gunships in Philadelphia. Using 1.07c, I received an Ironclad in Philadelphia. I have not tried 1.07d yet.

[Rafiki]

OK, then it's not the fix I was thinking of.

[Le Ricain]

OK, then it's not the fix I was thinking of.

It was meant to have been fixed. What seems to have been fixed was the opposite, receiving ocean ships in Pittsburgh or Buffalo. That really was government procurement policy of awarding contracts to the lowest bidders gone mad. At least with riverine ships on the East Coast, they can be used as brown water blockade elements.

[Jabberwock]

You mean my 'monitors at Ft Donelson' strategy is no longer valid? Darn.

[Le Ricain]

You mean my 'monitors at Ft Donelson' strategy is no longer valid? Darn.

At least monitors at Ft Donelson would be possible and useful. Try getting a frigate to Ft Donelson!!

[Pocus]

send me a save with an ocean ship just built at the wrong place, with the turn before please.

[Le Ricain]

send me a save with an ocean ship just built at the wrong place, with the turn before please.

Pocus,

Sorry, there seems to be some confusion. Ocean ships are being built in the correct ports.

[Pocus]

fine, this save me time.

[Malagant]

Pocus,

It's not ocean ships being built in the wrong place, but river ships.

I tried to build a River Ironclad in Pennsylvania (expecting it in Pittsburgh), but it was instead built Philidelphia.

I can send save file tonight if you'd like.

fine, this save me time.

[Pocus]

Sorry I'm fuzzy here, can't they move thru coastal waters then on the river?

[Malagant]

They then have to traverse the entire coastline, around Florida, in to the mouth of the Mississippi, taking bombardment from every Confederate fort on the way.

If I order some riverine ships from my shipbuilders, I would expect them to be built on a river.

Why does Pittsburgh have a Shipyard Engineer if the PA ships are built in Philly?

Sorry I'm fuzzy here, can't they move thru coastal waters then on the river?

[Jabberwock]

That's what I was about to say, but you used a lot fewer words.

[Charles De Salaberry]

A bug indeed, but one that I thought had been fixed previously? If you don't mind me asking; Which patch are you using?

(Just to make sure if it's still a problem or not)

This is not a bug - nor even much of a problem. There are many places along the coast that you can use riverine gunboats - part of the brownwater blockade, bombarding the coastal forts, or going up rivers in Georgia and Alabama. Indeed, before the Union secures the Mississippi, this is the only way to get gunboats up the river from New Orleans, unless you want to run all the Confederate batteries along the River. As a historical note, many of the monitors built for the USN were constructed in yards in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia.

One thing I have noticed is that the game engine tries to spread the construction of these boats around, so if you want to try to ensure that no gunboats are constructed in the coastal ports you should pay attention to what you have in your river ports. Don't build more gunboats, or other river boats, than you have river ports available. In order to consider a river port available, it should have no boats in it - either being built or just sitting there. The game engine gives priority to building river boats in river ports, but if no river ports are available it will build those in coastal ports.

[Malagant]

It may not be a problem for you...that's great. But I assure you, it is a problem for me.

If I need ocean-going vessels to participate in blockades, I expect to build those from the Ocean vessels tab.

If I need river-going vessels to participate in riverine warfare, I expect to build those from the River vessels tab.

There are numerous work-arounds or alternative uses for already built ships, but frankly I don't want to have to use a work-around or alternative...I want the ship that I requested to be built in a reasonable place.

Certainly not a huge bug...far from game-breaking...but an issue that I think should be addressed when resources are available.

This is not a bug - nor even much of a problem. There are many places along the coast that you can use riverine gunboats - part of the brownwater blockade, bombarding the coastal forts, or going up rivers in Georgia and Alabama. Indeed, before the Union secures the Mississippi, this is the only way to get gunboats up the river from New Orleans, unless you want to run all the Confederate batteries along the River. As a historical note, many of the monitors built for the USN were constructed in yards in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia.

One thing I have noticed is that the game engine tries to spread the construction of these boats around, so if you want to try to ensure that no gunboats are constructed in the coastal ports you should pay attention to what you have in your river ports. Don't build more gunboats, or other river boats, than you have river ports available. In order to consider a river port available, it should have no boats in it - either being built or just sitting there. The game engine gives priority to building river boats in river ports, but if no river ports are available it will build those in coastal ports.

[Rafiki]

As a historical note, many of the monitors built for the USN were constructed in yards in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia.

Sure, but that's not what this is about. This is about (river) ironclads and (river) gunboats being built in ocean ports.

I'm not saying that they can't be useful along the coast, it's just that if you build river ships because you feel you need them on the Mississippi, and they then get built in ocean ports with no realistic chance of being of use on the Mississippi anytime soon, if at all, you can't help but feel you have wasted a good amount of resources.