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Entering an Enemy Controlled Region - Rules of Engagement

Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:43 pm

A question for those in-the-know.

When entering a region in which you have 5% or less Military Control (MC) your force automatically goes to Offensive Posture, unless they are cavalry, irregular (not digestive ;) ), or support units Manual:Military_control, Section: Effects, Paragraph 5.

If your force enters a region with 5% or less MC, does its Rules of Engagement (RoE) change?

I'm not actually just talking about the color of the button pressed, but the actual meaning. The description of RoE is in the ACW Updates PDF:

In Assault or Offensive posture, the possible ROE are:
· All out attack: Your side will not try to retreat during the first two rounds of battle, then the retreat chance will be
decreased for the rest of the day. The losses of both sides are increased, but more for your side.
· Sustained Attack: This is the default behavior. No changes to the combat resolution segment are done.
· Conservative Attack: Your side will want to call-off the attack starting with the third round (unless the defender is
collapsing) and the chances to succeed in doing so are increased. Both sides have equally fewer losses.
· Feint/Probe Attack: Your side will want to call-off the attack starting with the second round (unless the defender is
collapsing) and the chances to succeed in doing so are greatly increased. Both sides have losses much reduced
In Defensive posture, the possible ROE are:
· Hold at all Cost: Your side will never willingly try to retreat (Routing is possible!)
· Defend: No changes to the standard rules.
· Defend and Retreat: Your side will want to retreat starting with the third round (unless the attack is failing) and the
chances to succeed in doing so are increased.
· Retreat if Engaged: Increased retreat chances including the retreat roll before actual combat.


This appears to mean that if I'm trying to pass through a region with enemy units in it and more than 5% enemy MC -- more than likely -- by setting my Posture and RoE to Defensive[blue] / Retreat if Engaged[green], when my force enters the region it will immediately convert to Offensive Posture and Feint/Probe RoE, which means that combat cannot be avoided.

The other question is if on the outside chance the RoE remains on Retreat if Engaged and the retreat is successful, will my force continue its move, or does the typical retreat algorithm fire and my force is moved to an adjacent region in Passive Posture[green] / Retreat if Engaged[green] RoE?

If the RoE does coincide with the Posture -- ie when automatically going to Offensive, the RoE goes to Feint/Probe Attack --, and my force does succeed in breaking off, will it continue it's move, or does the retreat algorithm kick in here too as above? Or does maybe a stalemate occur and my force is stuck in the region I'm trying to transition?

Obviously, if my force cannot break off from the Feint/Probe Attack, a normal engagement will occur with the normal results.

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:43 pm

From one who would like to be in-the-know!

[When entering a region in which you have 5% or less Military Control (MC) your force automatically goes to Offensive Posture, unless they are cavalry, irregular (not digestive ;) ), or support units]

What about when entering Force A is Green/Green. Does stance convert to Offensive/Green?

If Force A is not converted, but defending Force B has a stack with Offensive, is A converted to Offensive?

Manual:Military_control, Section: Effects, Paragraph 5.

[This appears to mean that if I'm trying to pass through a region with enemy units in it and more than 5% enemy MC -- more than likely -- by setting my Posture and RoE to Defensive[blue] / Retreat if Engaged[green], when my force enters the region it will immediately convert to Offensive Posture and Feint/Probe RoE, which means that combat cannot be avoided.]

Is above 5% supposed to be 94%?

More questions:

If entering Force A (Offensive) fights a battle and wins and B retreats out of the region. Subsequently a late arriving reinforcement for B has a Defensive Stance. Does another battle ensue with A (offensive) and B reinforcement (defensive)?

Can A ever lose Offensive stance and still remain in fought over region?

Thanks Captain for opening this thread.

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:52 pm

FelixZ wrote:From one who would like to be in-the-know!

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FelixZ wrote:What about when entering Force A is Green/Green. Does stance convert to Offensive/Green?


Last line of Paragraph 5 below: "However, forces in passive posture or those composed entirely of cavalry, irregulars and support units may transit through enemy territory without switching posture."

FelixZ wrote:If Force A is not converted, but defending Force B has a stack with Offensive, is A converted to Offensive?

If you mean, if Force A is in Passive Posture and enters a region with an enemy force (Force B) which is in Offensive Posture, Force A does not change to Offensive Posture and will more than likely be engaged by Force B, because Force B is in Offensive Posture. Force A will automatically retreat, but that doesn't mean that it will not get routed and take heavy damage. Many other factors play a role in this such as terrain, weather, cohesion of both forces, speed of both forces, etc.

FelixZ wrote:Manual:Military_control, Section: Effects, Paragraph 5.

[This appears to mean that if I'm trying to pass through a region with enemy units in it and more than 5% enemy MC -- more than likely -- by setting my Posture and RoE to Defensive[blue] / Retreat if Engaged[green], when my force enters the region it will immediately convert to Offensive Posture and Feint/Probe RoE, which means that combat cannot be avoided.]

Is above 5% supposed to be 94%?

Please follow the link above and read the section. It's not all that large. If the region being entered has more than 5% enemy MC forces other than those noted will change to Offensive Posture.

FelixZ wrote:More questions:

If entering Force A (Offensive) fights a battle and wins and B retreats out of the region. Subsequently a late arriving reinforcement for B has a Defensive Stance. Does another battle ensue with A (offensive) and B reinforcement (defensive)?

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that the change of MC takes place at the end of the turn, as it is a factor of the time a force is or has been in a region. In the Wiki (link above - hint, hint) it states, "If you manage to push back the enemy from a region and leave some units to occupy it, you will gain complete military control in one or two turns, depending of the amount of troops you have. A corps on the march can even convert a region in a few days!"

FelixZ wrote:Can A ever lose Offensive stance and still remain in fought over region?

IIRC from experience, if two forces fight a stalemate and neither retreats they both remain in the region in the posture in which they fought the battle. If a force retreats from a battle, even if a stalemate was the results, it will change to Passive Posture[green]. If a force retreats from a battle, but the days remaining in the turn do not allow it to completely leave the region it will be plotted as leaving the region with only the days left to enter the next region remaining to be moved. This move can be canceled in the following turn, leaving the retreating force in the region of the battle, and its Posture and RoE can be then changed in accordance with what the game allows. While playing with 'hardened activation rules' I've had a force start a retreat from a region, but not manage to exit that region and then be locked at the beginning of the next turn.

FelixZ wrote:Thanks Captain for opening this thread.

You're welcome and please read the references ;) .

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