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Captain_Orso
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Hard Activation Question

Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:59 pm

I'm playing a game with the ominous third activation rule box checked. The Tool-Tip says

If checked, land forces with a non activated cammander have a high chance of NOT being able to move at all.


However I'm seeing commanders become activated and at the same time become locked. Is this WAD?

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Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:04 pm

It has been a long time since I played hard activation, but IIRC, when a unit become "unlocked", it gives you a message. Then there was an activation roll,which the unit failed, locking it again. The activation message is only in the log correct? Then it doesn't really effect game play.
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Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:13 pm

Hi Jim, thanks for your response.

Whenever a leader becomes unlocked there is a message stating that 'so-n-so is now active in such-n-such region', even if he isn't 'activated'.

Then, as you have stated, it can occur that the presently 'active/unlocked' leader is suddenly locked again.

There seems to me to be no correspondence between being 'activated' and 'unlocked/active'. The Tool-Tip, as I've quoted, states that there is a 'high chance' of the leader not being able to move at all, but it says nothing about a chance of 'activated' leaders being locked.

What bugs me is that the description in the rules and the Tool-Tip insinuate that the chance of being locked is based upon being unactivated, so that a leader could have 3 stati
  1. Activated
  2. Unactivated, but active (has a 'brownie-- -35% movement and combat penalty, cannot attack, etc.)
  3. Unactivated & locked--cannot move at all
But it seems, from what I am seeing, that activated/unactivated and locked/active are two different things with no actual relationship to each other.

In other words, on top of the D6-roll to determine if a leader is activated or unactivated there is a second role after that to determine if he is active or locked.

If that is the case and this is also a D6-roll then hard activation causes a 50% greater chance of having a leader with a strategic rating of 3 hindered or immovable

IE
Hard Activation
  • 25% chance of activated/unlocked (good)
  • 25% chance of inactive/unlocked (bad)
  • 25% chance of unactivated/locked (very bad)
  • 25% chance of activated/locked (bad)

And if there is a chance of a presently activated/active leader again rolling to become unactive/locked and then inactivated... this is giving me a headache :(

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Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:42 pm

It sounds like the general in question doesn't know his headquarters from his hindquarters: I move we call this "The General Pope Conundrum." :gardavou: :confused:

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Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:15 am

Hey, I resemble that remark ;)

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Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:33 am

It may have changed with the latest patch. When I played with hard activation, (1.14 I believe), it seemed that you had 3 options:

1. pass activation
2. not pass activation (become a brownie)
3. fail activation (become locked).

BTW, as a bonus, locked generals didn't cost NM if they were passed over. So I was able to not give Mac an army, and I didn't have to pay any NM for it. That was the only redeeming feature about hard activation in my book. I could skip over several starting union generals for army commands.
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Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:56 am

Now you tell me :bonk:

I got saddle with Mac because I couldn't afford to lose the 10 NM and he's about to get smacked really hard by Lee around Manassas :blink:

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