Seniority

[blackbird]

The seniority number must reset after promotion, because it seems to go down from 9 to 13 after I promote * to **. Is this a correct assumption?

Does the promotional offer 'expire' if I do not choose to promote when offered? I don't promote sometimes because I'm concerned that another, more senior, general will get angered. Then, when I return to promote the original general, I notice that the promote button is no longer lit. Is this WAD?

I thought that more senior 1* generals don't get angered when bypassed for promotion. But, Huger* was upset when I promoted McCulloch* ahead of him to **. I swear that I read that the passed over for promotion anger events and morale/VP penalties happen only at the ** and above level. WAD?

When are the promo events for Jackson, Holmes, Longstreet(or, are they manual or random)? Now that I've upgraded to v1.15 from v1.07, I have noticed that they appear at the * level rather than the previous(ahistorical) ** level.

[arsan]

The seniority number must reset after promotion, because it seems to go down to 13 after I promote * to **. Is this a correct assumption?

Yes, each rank has its own seniority scale. A high seniority * that gets promoted to ** will start as a low seniority **. About the "13", no idea if its a fixed number or not

Does the promotional offer 'expire' if I do not choose to promote when offered? I don't promote sometimes because I'm concerned that another, more senior, general will get angered. Then, when I return to promote the original general, I notice that the promote button is no longer lit. Is this WAD?

Yes, it's WAD. if not promoted when offered he will loss 1 seniority point and then won't be promotable next turn.
To know if someone will get angered read the tooltip over the lighted up promote button with the general you want to promote selected. It tells you who will get angered. If it says nothing, go a ahead and promote

I thought that more senior 1* generals don't get angered when bypassed for promotion. But, Huger* was upset when I promoted McCulloch* ahead of him to **. I swear that I read that the passed over for promotion anger events and morale/VP penalties happen only at the ** and above level. WAD?

For what i know every rank can get angered. But on generals with low rank and little political influence the adverse effects are small. But beware angering McClellan and the like

When are the promo events for Jackson, Holmes, Longstreet(or, are they manual or random)? Now that I've upgraded to v1.15 from v1.07, I have noticed that they appear at the * level rather than the previous(ahistorical) ** level.

Check the updates.rtf file on your game installation folder for all the changes in the patches. i'm sure the info must be there.
IIRC they will be autopromoted to ** on certain historical date if they had not attained that level by then.

Regards

[Gray_Lensman]

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[blackbird]

-Edited for clarity(my apologies for any missing info originally)-
I promoted McCulloch. I took the morale penalty from Huger(and Huger went from seniority 3 down to 5), and played on.
Next turn, as McCulloch is defending Cairo(as a 2* general seniority 13), he beats the enemy, captures coastal ART, fort batteries, rifles, and is congratulated. BUT, his seniority goes DOWN from 13 to 16 ?!? Other strange seniority/promotion things have happened. Is anyone else experiencing this from a new v1.15? WAD? Should I try a fresh install from v1.07 cd-rom and redo the v1.15 patch?
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Is McCulloch getting some penalty from bypassing Huger this turn(and every turn)(btw, there is NO mention of Huger being angered this turn!, so I can't explain McCulloch' seniority going down)

Also, thanks for the ACW updates.rtf information. I had read that file after installing the v1.15 patch but had not committed those dates to memory.

[enf91]

Ahhhhh. You ran into the coding of generic promotions. McCulloch was not promotable prior to 1.14. Pocus instituted "generic promotions", enabling all generals to be promoted one rank above previously, provided their maximum rank was not already ***. Since they are not historical promotions, Pocus handled seniority by taking the prior rank's seniority and reducing it by 10. So, McCulloch started out 2* with seniority 23. He gained 7 points in that one battle.

[arsan]

Is McCulloch getting some penalty from bypassing Huger this turn(and every turn)(btw, there is no mention of this possible Huger anger penalty in the unit panel info box)???

Not sure i understand you right... let see...
1º- the bypassed leader is the one who gets the seniority penalty (huger in this case). Not teh promoted. But...
2º- As i explained above, each rank has his own seniority scale. So A 1*McCulloch with 13 seniority when promoted to 2** can end up with 16 or whatever worse seniority, as now his new seniority refers to his position in the ** scale order, different form the *.
A 16 seniority ** will always be above a * leader, even if it has seniority 1.

3º- Again, as i explained above and quoting myself:
"To know if someone will get angered read the tooltip over the lighted up promote button with the general you want to promote selected. It tells you who will get angered. If it says nothing, go a ahead and promote"
I didn't say anything about the "unit panel info box" you mention

Cheers!

[blackbird]

Not sure i understand you right... let see...
1º- the bypassed leader is the one who gets the seniority penalty (huger in this case). Not teh promoted. But...

--Understood, I edited my post to include that Huger went from a 3 down to a 5.

2º- As i explained above, each rank has his own seniority scale. So A 1*McCulloch with 13 seniority when promoted to 2** can end up with 16 or whatever worse seniority, as now his new seniority refers to his position in the ** scale order, different form the *.

--Understood, he started with the normal * with 13(had a successful battle series)then became a * with 9(IIRC)(and promotion capable) next, promoted to ** at 13, but why would it go down the turn AFTER the promotion and seniority decrease to 17, with a successful battle, and even a congratulations for the battle. I could understand if he had LOST the battle, or had huge casualties, or had been 'blamed for the losses.' But, his number went down this second time.

A 16 seniority ** will always be above a * leader, even if it has seniority 1.

--Understood.

3º- Again, as i explained above and quoting myself:
"To know if someone will get angered read the tooltip over the lighted up promote button with the general you want to promote selected. It tells you who will get angered. If it says nothing, go a ahead and promote"
I didn't say anything about the "unit panel info box" you mention

--Understood, you rightly point out that the tooltip did say that Huger has seniority and will be angered. I promoted anyway thinking that it is worth the penalty.

Cheers!

Thanks for always helping me!

[arsan]

--Understood, he started with the normal * with 13(had a successful battle series)then became a * with 10(IIRC)(and promotion capable) next, promoted to ** at 13, but why would it go down the turn AFTER the promotion and seniority decrease to 16, with a successful battle, and even a congratulations for the battle.

Ah, understand it better now
Yes, what you explains seems to make no sense... i don't recall seeing it in game.
Are you sure its not what enf91 explains above??

[Gray_Lensman]

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[blackbird]

enf91 is correct. McCulloch was generically promoted above. Previously, he could NOT be promoted at all.

--Thank you for explaining that promotion change that occurred in v1.14. That must be what's occurring. BTW, even though McCulloch is a ** on the map, unit panel, element box, and tooltip box, he is still listed as * on the roster list.

Next, the other strange promotional events. Buchanan was also promotable with his 2 rank anchors flashing even though his promoting medal button was unavailable(greyed out since he's still locked in Norfolk for 1 more turn)(turns 6 and 5 also IIRC)
Semmes just appeared turn 6 and is also promotable!
My best guess is that they are promotable because their seniority is so high at 1. Is anyone else having this happen?

[arsan]

Hi!

Yes, the roster thing happens with some of the generically promoted leaders. It's just a graphical glitch of this new feature added in the latest patches.
But it has effect on gameplay, just in the ledger graphic.

I recall seeing some USA admirals being promotable just form the start (Farragut i think).
But don't recall it happening to Semmes before, as probably he was not promotable until the generic promotions were added.
You can promote him without any problem i guess. He and Buchanan are the only CSA naval leaders IIRC so there is not going to be much competence for getting the best admiralty promotions

[blackbird]

Hi!

Yes, the roster thing...just in the ledger graphic.

I recall seeing some USA admirals being promotable just form the start... the best admiralty promotions

--Thanks for the info. I noticed that turn 8, Semmes can promote again to a ***. Strange. I've not yet gone farther in the game. I would think that *** is as far as he and Buchanan should be able to go. But, we will see. Maybe I'll soon have 5 star super admirals.

[Gray_Lensman]

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[Eugene Carr]

Since they are not historical promotions, Pocus handled seniority by taking the prior rank's seniority and reducing it by 10.

Thanks for this I must have missed it, had assumed generics just carried over their seniority.

How do their stats work out?

S! EC

[blackbird]

No, you won't see any leader from either side achieving a 5-star rank. The highest rank achievable is 4-star and only for certain historic leaders.
FYI:
Per the AACW v1.15 database, Max rank achievable for Semmes or Buchanan is 3-star.

Darn! I'll let Buchanan know. He was starting to like the sound of 'Fleet Admiral Buchanan.'
Well, at least he made it to ***

[arsan]

Now you are only missing a fleet for them

[M_T]

Sorry to hijack thread, but why promote naval leaders? They don't use their command points. And they can't command land troops. So why bother?

[Gray_Lensman]

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