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CSA Reinforcement Placement

Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:39 pm

LTG James Longstreet is content. He's just earned his third star and General Beauregard has requested his services in the defense of Nashville against Grant. Lumbering down the Blue Ridge RR, he's confident he can hold the city against Grant's massed forces across the Cumberland from him. It's spring 1862 and he's arrives to find his new Corps dug in heavily and apparently outnumbering Union forces. He's confident.

Grant waits until the mud abates and then commences his pontoon assault across the river in Grantian typical massed assault style. But wait. What's this? Two new fledgling units appear in the city...a new militia and a new artillery unit, untried and unproven. Grant rolls right over them and eliminates them. Uncertain otherwise veteran CSA troops panic and stream out of their Davidson area entrenchments back to Rutherford in disarray. Longstreet and staff reluctantly follow. Nashville falls despite a most energetic preparation. Longstreet removes his three stars and pins back on his two. He knows what is in store for him.

Strange?

This is an exact replay from a PBEM I have now (I'm not host and don't have the game file). And while it may be WAD, it flies in the face of a rule I've relied on out here on the forum......that the "outside the structure force" has to be defeated to engage the inside the structure one. Reinforcements show up placed inside the structure.
Shouldn't Longstreet have been attacked first? :blink:

This brings up an irksome situation and IMHO, an ahistorical one that the CSA faces often. That being to choose to NOT build units in a combat area for fear of being overrun. Wouldn't the South be actively raising new forces in a threatened area and cashing in, recruitment-wise, on the real threat that citizens can see?
Would not the impetus caused by a real local threat encourage the call to arms, not discourage it? :wacko:

I have seen now in PBEMs a ploy by the USA to sometimes NOT capture a given state's structure(s) just to greedily wait in ambush for the next unsuspecting new recruit to show up there for instant liquidation.

Oh and my truthful bonus was to get better stats for Longstreet from the demotion. I have never before or since seen such a demotion but I thought THAT was cool and authentic.

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Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:58 pm

What was Longstreets combat stance set at?
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Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:02 pm

Comtedemeighan wrote:What was Longstreets combat stance set at?


He was at standard defense (red/orange I think its called). I laughingly resolved from this case never to allow such a key position to go without defense at all costs.

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Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:06 pm

Trouble with defence at all costs is that they will - if Grant is sufficiently strong then that could be the end of Longstreet altogether.

{Edit} With Longstreet on blue/orange if Grant moves in and wins a battle Longstreet will retreat and live to fight another day.

On blue/red he will probably stay in the region, and there may well several battles in a single turn, with Grant doing more and more damage each time... depending on the relative weight of the forces, Longstreet's command could end up shredded, with elements destroyed and a heavy loss in NM and VP.

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Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:04 pm

SkyWestNM wrote:Grant rolls right over them and eliminates them. Uncertain otherwise veteran CSA troops panic and stream out of their Davidson area entrenchments back to Rutherford in disarray. Longstreet and staff reluctantly follow.


SkyWest, any chance you can post a screenie of the battle summary? Also, since obviously we can't use tooltips on the screenie, maybe give some info on whether you were overstacked (drum icon), luck (clover), etc.

Not as good as game files but better than guessing. ;)

SkyWestNM wrote:Oh and my truthful bonus was to get better stats for Longstreet from the demotion. I have never before or since seen such a demotion but I thought THAT was cool and authentic.


That is cool. :thumbsup:
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Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:42 pm

Gosh I wish I did but host has all those files. I certainly understand your point that speculation constitutes a moving, uncertain target. Here's the trn file from a few turns later, but that prolly doesn't help, huh?.
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Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:45 pm

SkyWestNM wrote:Gosh I wish I did but host has all those files. I certainly understand your point that speculation constitutes a moving, uncertain target. Here's the trn file from a few turns later, but that prolly doesn't help, huh?.


Not much. But you know what they say: never let the facts get in the way of a good story -- and I liked the Longstreet story. :thumbsup:

Yeah, turn files are key. Screenies are sometimes okay to help sort out hard-to-understand battle results.
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Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:12 am

Longstreet must have had good reason to retreat. He was trying to save his forces. Not strange at all.
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Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:46 pm

For CSA The one imperative that it is wise not to forget - keep your Armies intact. If you dont then Billy Yank is going on a proverbial turkey shoot? In other words game over.
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