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Location of "flavor" brigades

Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:50 am

We have included the following units in the game as "flavor" units: they all have some specific aspect / bonus / characteristics...

In order to update my scenarios, I'd like to know the location of each of them in 1862, 1863 and 1864 (let's say in March), provided of course they existed (i.e were created already or were not destroyed).

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CSA

Orphan Bde
Stonewall Bde
European Bde
Gamecock Bde
Tramp Bde
Laurel Bde
Louisiana Tigers Bde


USA

Blanket Bde
Bull Run Bde
California Bde
Eagle Bde
Excelsior Bde
First Iron Bde
Gibralter Bde
Hooker's Old Guard Bde
Horn Bde
Irish Bde
Irish Legion Bde
Iron Bde
Keystone Bde
Lightning Bde
Lightning Mule Bde
Merchant's Bde
Old Bde
Paper Collar Bde
Philadelphia Bde
Railway Bde
Regular Bde
Empire Bde
Union Bde
Washington Bde
Western Bde
Saber Bde

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:57 pm

OK...I'll start it off with an easy one:

Stonewall Brigade:
2nd, 4th, 5th, 27th, and 33rd Virginia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Brigade

1862:
03/62 starting location: Shenandoah Valley
Order of Battle: Part of Jackson's Division

1863:
03/63 starting location: Around the Rappahannock with the rest of the Army of Northern Virginia
Order of Battle: Part of Trimble's Division, II Corps, Army of Northern Virginia

1864:
03/64 starting location: Around the Rapidan with the rest of the Army of Northern Virginia
Order of Battle: Part of Johnson's Division, II Corps, Army of Northern Virginia

** The Stonewall Brigade was disbanded after the Battle of Spotsylvania, where most of its members were either killed, wounded, or captured during the Federal assault on the "Mule Shoe."

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:44 pm

Excellent. Exactly the kind and type of info I need. Thanks :coeurs:

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:58 pm

Orphan Brigade

http://www.rootsweb.com/~orphanhm/

Formed October 1861
March 1862 was part of Johnston's army at Bowling Green KY.

1862 campaigns and battles- Shiloh, Corinth, Vicksburg, Baton Rouge, Stones River

March 1863 part of Breckenridge's division, army of the Tennessee at Tullahoma, TN.

1863 campaigns and battles- Vicksburg, Chickamauga, Chattanooga

March 1864- Walker's division, Army of the Tennessse, at Dalton, GA.

1864 campaigns and battles - Atlanta campaign (The brigade was converted to mounted infantry after the Fall of Atlanta), Sherman's March to the Sea, Savannah. Probably under Wheeler's command after the fall of Atlanta.

March 1865 - ? (At Augusta, Ga in early 1865) Fought in their last engagement at Stateburg, SC on April 29th. Surrendered on May 7th.

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:53 pm

Gamecock Brigade:
8th, 18th, 19th, 28th, and 56th Virginia Infantry

1862:
03/62 starting location: Culpeper VA with the bulk of Joe Johnston's Army of Northern Virginia
Order of Battle: Part of Longstreet's "Wing" of the Army of Northern Virginia

03/63 starting location: Detatched to the Southern VA, NC area with Longstreet as part of the Suffolk Campaign.
Order of Battle: Part of Pickett's Division, I Corps, Army of Northern Virginia

03/64 starting location: Detached to Richmond (Someone please double check me on this one....I think this is where Pickett's whole division was...they did not rejoin the main army until before the Battle of Cold Harbor **)
Order of Battle: Part of Pickett's Division, I Corps, Army of Northern Virginia

** According to the Cold Harbor Order of Battle, the units are slightly different by now: 8th, 19th, 32nd, 56th, 25th Virginia Battalion (City Battalion), 42nd Virginia Cavalry Battalion

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:06 pm

Pickett was given command of the dept of North Carolina on sept 23rd, 1863. His Headquarters was at Petersburg, Va. His division had not recovered enough to go with Longstreet to Georgia. He took part in the battles around Petersburg against Butler's Army of the James in may, 1864.

For fans of the movie "Gettysburg" the Gamecock brigade was led by Richard Garnett, the officer who had to ride a horse in the charge because of an injured leg.

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:25 pm

Its not on the list, but you should really think about adding the "Texas" Brigade...one of the absolute best units in either army:

Texas Brigade:
Early 1862 through Antietam: 1st, 4th, 5th Texas, 18 Georgia, Hampton Legion (SC)
Fredricksburg through end of war: 1st, 4th, 5th Texas, 3rd Arkansas

1862:
03/62 starting location: (I could use a little help here) ** from Chris: Dumfries Va
Order of Battle: Part of Whiting's Division

1863:
03/63 starting location: Detatched to the Southern VA, NC area with Longstreet as part of the Suffolk Campaign.
Order of Battle: Part of Hood's Division, I Corps, Army of Northern Virginia

1864:
03/64 starting location: ** from Chris: Greenville, TN. Longstreet had not yet rejoined the Army of Northern Virginia.
Order of Battle: Part of Field's Division, I Corps, Army of Northern Virginia

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:47 pm

The Texas brigade was at Dumfries Va in feb 1862 and was probably still there in March.

In March 1864 it was still in winter quarters at Greenville, TN. Longstreet had not yet rejoined the Army of Northern Virginia.

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Iron Brigade

Formed 10/1861
3/1862 - McDowell's Division, AOP at Arlington, Va.
3/1863 - 1st Div, 1st Corps, AOP at Falmouth, Va.
3/1864 - 1st Div, 1st corps, AOP at Culpeper, Va.

Broken up 2/1865

Earned their nickname at the Battle of South Mountain. After seeing them fight McClellan said "They must be made of iron".

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Lightning Brigade

1/1863 Wilder takes command
2/1863 Brigade converted to mounted Infantry over the next few months
Armed with Spencer Rifles by June

3/1863 5th Division, 14th Corps, Army of the Cumberland at Murfreesboro, TN

3/1864 2nd Cavalry Division, Army of the Cumberland at Mooresville, AL.

3/1865 2nd Cavalry Division, Wilson's Cavalry Corps, Military District of Miss. at Gravelly Springs, AL

The Brigade that could load on Sunday and shoot all week.

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1st LA 'Louisiana Tigers' Brigade

(notes from the previous CSA brigade nickname post)
5th LA, 6th LA, 7th LA, 8th LA, 9th LA
Date: Oct 62
Notes: The 1st LA Bde originally contained Wheat's LA 'Tigers' Bn. When Wheat's Bn was disbanded after the Seven days Campaign, its soldiers went into other Bde RGT's. The Bde then adopted the nickname.

**So technically in 03/62, the brigade would not have the "Tigers" nickname
Units during Seven Days battles: (6th, 7th, 8th, 9th LA, 1st LA Special Bn, Charlottesville (Carrington's) VA Arty)

Units during 2nd Bull Run / Antietam: (5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 14th LA)


1863
(5th LA, 6th LA, 7th LA, 8th LA, 9th LA)
03/63 starting location: around the Rappahannock with the rest of the Army of Northern Virginia
Order of Battle: Part of Early's Division, II Corps, Army of Northern Virginia

1864
(5th LA, 6th LA, 7th LA, 8th LA, 9th LA)
03/64 starting location: Around the Rapidan with the rest of the Army of Northern Virginia
Order of Battle: Part of Early's Division, II Corps, Army of Northern Virginia

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Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:49 am

Are you sure you want the European Brigade in the game? From what little I have found it was formed in feb 1862 and disbanded in may 1862 and never saw combat.

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Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:45 am

Well, it's just for the 'chrome' of the game...could be fun :sourcil:

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Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:48 am

rickd79 wrote:Its not on the list, but you should really think about adding the "Texas" Brigade...one of the absolute best units in either army:


Good idea. Will be added. Could you precised where and when it was formed initially (Texas?)

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:26 am

Tramp Brigade

Formed in July 1862 at Charleston SC

3/1863 District of NC, Dept of Va & NC at Masonborough NC.
3/1864 1st Military District of SC, Dept of SC,GA, & FL at Georgetown, SC
3/1865 Johnson's Division, Anderson's Corps, Army of NV at Petersburg, VA

Surrendered April 9th 1865 at Appomattox, VA

I was unable to determine when it was first called the Tramp Brigade.

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:33 am

The Texas Brigade was formed in October 1861 at Dumfries VA.

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:14 am

Thanks. forgot to ask: who was the CO when formed ? :sourcil:

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:34 pm

John B. Hood was the original commander of The Texas Brigade.

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Blanket Brigade:

As best as I can tell, this nickname was for a single regiment (16th Maine), not a "real" brigade. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about this). As a result, for the purposes of this game (brigade level units), if you want to be 100% historically accurate, you should probably not use the term "Blanket Brigade" in relation to the 16th Maine's brigade. :siffle:

(I suppose you could always incorporate it as part of the regiment name)
On the other hand, if you want to take a little "poetic license" for game purposes, who am I to tell you not to do it..... :nuts:

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Philadelphia Brigade / California Brigade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Brigade

Interesting unit....All regiments were recruited from Philadelphia but were designated the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th California (formed and originally commanded by Oregon Senator Edward Baker). After the Battle of Ball's Bluff in Octorber 1861, Pennsylvania claimed the regiments and renamed them the 69th, 71st, 72nd, and 106th PA. (So I guess for the purpose of this game, for all scenarios after 10/61, the brigade should be known as the "Philadelphia Brigade")

1862
03/62 starting location: Northern VA, or on the Peninsula, depending on when in March you start the scenario
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

1863
03/63 starting location: Falmouth, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

1864
03/64 starting location: Culpeper, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac
* 152nd NY also part of the brigade at this point

(Brigade broken up on June 22, 1864)

** Somebody should double check me, to make sure II Corps was at these locations

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rickd79 wrote:Philadelphia Brigade / California Brigade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Brigade

Interesting unit....All regiments were recruited from Philadelphia but were designated the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th California (formed and originally commanded by Oregon Senator Edward Baker). After the Battle of Ball's Bluff in Octorber 1861, Pennsylvania claimed the regiments and renamed them the 69th, 71st, 72nd, and 106th PA. (So I guess for the purpose of this game, for all scenarios after 10/61, the brigade should be known as the "Philadelphia Brigade")

1862
03/62 starting location: Northern VA, or on the Peninsula, depending on when in March you start the scenario
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

1863
03/63 starting location: Falmouth, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

1864
03/64 starting location: Culpeper, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac
* 152nd NY also part of the brigade at this point

(Brigade broken up on June 22, 1864)

** Somebody should double check me, to make sure II Corps was at these locations


Falmouth and Culpeper seem to be correct for 1863 AND 1864. iN 1862 The brigade was at Haper's Ferry on March 1st and was part of Sedgewick's Division in the AOTP. When the army was reorganized later in the month it became the 2ns brigade, 2nd Div, II corps.

I have the locations of the entire POTP at the beginning of March 1862 along with their strength and numbers of guns if you want me to post it.

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rickd79 wrote:Philadelphia Brigade / California Brigade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Brigade

Interesting unit....All regiments were recruited from Philadelphia but were designated the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th California (formed and originally commanded by Oregon Senator Edward Baker). After the Battle of Ball's Bluff in Octorber 1861, Pennsylvania claimed the regiments and renamed them the 69th, 71st, 72nd, and 106th PA. (So I guess for the purpose of this game, for all scenarios after 10/61, the brigade should be known as the "Philadelphia Brigade")

1862
03/62 starting location: Northern VA, or on the Peninsula, depending on when in March you start the scenario
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

1863
03/63 starting location: Falmouth, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

1864
03/64 starting location: Culpeper, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac
* 152nd NY also part of the brigade at this point

(Brigade broken up on June 22, 1864)

** Somebody should double check me, to make sure II Corps was at these locations


Falmouth and Culpeper seem to be correct for 1863 AND 1864. In 1862 The brigade was at Harper's Ferry on March 1st and was part of Sedgewick's Division in the AOTP. When the army was reorganized later in the month it became the 2nd brigade, 2nd Div, II corps.

I have the locations of the entire AOTP at the beginning of March 1862 along with their strength and numbers of guns if you want me to post it.

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Excelsior Bde:

1862
Units: 70th, 71st, 72nd, 73rd, and 74th NY
03/62 Starting Location: *** Chris do you have III Corps location on this date?
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, III Corps, Army of the Potomac

1863
Units: 70th, 71st, 72nd, 73rd, 74th, and 120th NY
03/63 Starting Location: Falmouth, VA
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, III Corps, Army of the Potomac

1864
Units: 11th Ma, 84th PA, 70th, 71st, 72nd, 73rd, 74th, and 120th NY
03/64 Starting Location: Culpeper, VA
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 4th Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

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On march 1st it was part of Hooker's Division/Army of the Potomac. It's location is given as Lower Potomac Maryland. That's not a town so it was most likely southeast of Washington DC on the Maryland side of the Potomac. On the 8th Lincoln ordered the reorganization of the army and corps were formed.

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Hooker's Old Guard Brigade:

1862
Units: 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th NJ, 2nd NY
03/62 Starting Location: South-East of Washington, on Maryland side of Potomac, or on the Peninsula, depending on when in March you start the scenario
Order of Battle: 3rd Brigade, 2nd Division, III Corps, Army of the Potomac

1863
Units: 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th NJ, 2nd NY, and 115th PA
03/63 Starting Location: Falmouth, VA
Order of Battle: 3rd Brigade, 2nd Division, III Corps, Army of the Potomac

1864
Units: 1st MA, 16th MA, 5th NJ, 6th NJ, 7th NJ , 8th NJ, 11th NJ, 26th PA, 115th PA
03/64 Starting Location: Culpeper, VA
Order of Battle: 1st Brigade, 4th Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

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First Iron Brigade

1862
Units: 22nd NY, 24th NY, 30th NY, 84th NY, and 2nd US Sharpshooters
03/62 Starting Location: McDowell's Division, AOP at Arlington, Va....or on the Peninsula, depending on when you start the scenario
Order of Battle: 1st Brigade, 3rd Division, I Corps, Army of the Potomac

1863
Units: 22nd NY, 24th NY, 30th NY, 84th NY
03/63 Starting Location: Falmouth, VA
Order of Battle: 1st Brigade, 1st Division, I Corps, Army of the Potomac

** Ceases to exist as a brigade once the I Corps is reorganized out of the Army of the Potomac in 1864

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Chris0827 wrote:Iron Brigade

Formed 10/1861
3/1862 - McDowell's Division, AOP at Arlington, Va.
3/1863 - 1st Div, 1st Corps, AOP at Falmouth, Va.
3/1864 - 1st Div, 1st corps, AOP at Culpeper, Va.

Broken up 2/1865

Earned their nickname at the Battle of South Mountain. After seeing them fight McClellan said "They must be made of iron".


The I Corps was reorganized out of the Army of the Potomac in March of 1864, so depending on when you start the 1864 scenario, you may want to adjust the order of battle. The old I Corps units went into two divisions in the V Corps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Corps_%28ACW%29

new order of battle: 1st Brigade, 4th Division, V Corps, Army of the Potomac

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Gibraltar Brigade
(spelled wrong as "Gibralter" in list)

The brigade did not receive its nickname until the Battle of Antietam
see this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Kimball
Units at Antietam: 14th Indiana, 8th OH, 132nd PA, 7th WV

1863
Units: 14th Indiana, 24th NJ, 28th NJ, 4th OH, 8th OH, 7th WV
03/63 starting location: Falmouth, VA
Order of Battle: 1st Brigade, 3rd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

1864
Units: 14th CT, 1st Del, 14th Indiana, 12th NJ, 10th NY Bn., 108th NY, 4th OH, 8th OH, 7th WV
03/64 starting location: Culpeper, VA
Order of Battle: 3rd Brigade, 2nd Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

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Irish Brigade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Brigade_%28United_States%29


1862
Units: 63rd NY, 69th NY, 88th NY, (29th MA added once brigade reached the Peninsula)
03/62 starting location: ** Chris do you have location of this division in 03/62?
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 1st Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

1863
Units: 63rd NY, 69th NY, 88th NY, 28th MA, 116th PA
03/63 starting location: Falmouth, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 1st Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

1864
Units: 63rd NY, 69th NY, 88th NY, 28th MA, 116th PA
03/64 starting location: Culpeper, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 1st Division, II Corps, Army of the Potomac

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Old Brigade (I think its more well known as the "1st Vermont Brigade")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Vermont_Brigade

1862
Units: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th VT
03/62 starting location: ** Chris do you have location of this division in 03/62?
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, VI Corps, Army of the Potomac

1863
Units: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th VT
03/63 starting location: Falmouth, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, VI Corps, Army of the Potomac

1864
Units: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th VT
03/64 starting location: Culpeper, VA **
Order of Battle: 2nd Brigade, 2nd Division, VI Corps, Army of the Potomac

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